Thread: Star Wars: Episode VII - IX & Spinoffs Disscussion *SPOILERS INSIDE*

Originally Posted by MasterShake

Also this is something I think of often with people who claim they "know how Luke should've been":

I typed this up for spoiler tags in the no spoiler thread, but am putting it here instead.

While I liked both Force and Jedi, the retreaded story line is nice from a nostalgic standpoint, but I'm a bit surprised they didn't attempt to deviate a bit more than just telling a variation of the exact same story with different names and sex and such.

Yes, just like Yoda and Ben did before them. Let's see. Orphan kid. Desert planet. Strong force in him/her. Big death star must be destroyed. Bad guy in a mask. Young student leaves before training is complete. Old master dies, only to provide further training as a force ghost (we assume). Rebels hold up at a remote base, only to be attacked by overwhelming forces and two legged bots (not sure what they are called). Help me out, I'm sure I've only left out a dozen or so other repeated story lines.

You got furry birds instead of furry dwarfs. That is a change.

Originally Posted by Tned

I typed this up for spoiler tags in the no spoiler thread, but am putting it here instead.

While I liked both Force and Jedi, the retreaded story line is nice from a nostalgic standpoint, but I'm a bit surprised they didn't attempt to deviate a bit more than just telling a variation of the exact same story with different names and sex and such.

Yes, just like Yoda and Ben did before them. Let's see. Orphan kid. Desert planet. Strong force in him/her. Big death star must be destroyed. Bad guy in a mask. Young student leaves before training is complete. Old master dies, only to provide further training as a force ghost (we assume). Rebels hold up at a remote base, only to be attacked by overwhelming forces and two legged bots (not sure what they are called). Help me out, I'm sure I've only left out a dozen or so other repeated story lines.

It sucks because they almost subverted it with one of my favorite scenes in The Last Jedi. When Rey and Kylo turn on the guards after Kylo kills Snoke, I thought it would've been cool if she actually took his hand at that point. Not necessarily to turn to the dark side, but to try and change Kylo while working with him. As far as she knew, Luke was gonna stay on that planet and die. That could have opened up a whole new ending and left some questions for Episode 9, instead we get to reset the Universe AGAIN after The Force Awakens just did that. My big problem with the Last Jedi is that it claims to be a risky movie, but the risks it didn't take hurt it. It will be interesting to see how they finish this story off. I like The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi on their own terms, but they are not working as a cohesive story right now in terms of the entire saga to me.

Originally Posted by MasterShake

It sucks because they almost subverted it with one of my favorite scenes in The Last Jedi. When Rey and Kylo turn on the guards after Kylo kills Snoke, I thought it would've been cool if she actually took his hand at that point. Not necessarily to turn to the dark side, but to try and change Kylo while working with him. As far as she knew, Luke was gonna stay on that planet and die. That could have opened up a whole new ending and left some questions for Episode 9, instead we get to reset the Universe AGAIN after The Force Awakens just did that. My big problem with the Last Jedi is that it claims to be a risky movie, but the risks it didn't take hurt it. It will be interesting to see how they finish this story off. I like The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi on their own terms, but they are not working as a cohesive story right now in terms of the entire saga to me.

I haven't followed much, because I hate spoilers. I don't even watch trailers, because I don't want anything revealed. How on earth do they consider this a risky movie? Just what they did with Luke?

I enjoyed the movie, I just didn't find it very original. It still, like the first one, just seems to be a retelling, albeit with the names changed to protect the innocent, of the first two movies.

I think I would have enjoyed these two movies much more (and I did enjoy them), if I had never seen the original movies. Then I wouldn't be sitting there, "ahh, it's a bigger death star...." "Ahhh, rebel base on remote planet being attacked...." "Ahhh, jedi who turned to the darkside wearing a mask kills the emperor...."

Originally Posted by MasterShake

It sucks because they almost subverted it with one of my favorite scenes in The Last Jedi. When Rey and Kylo turn on the guards after Kylo kills Snoke, I thought it would've been cool if she actually took his hand at that point. Not necessarily to turn to the dark side, but to try and change Kylo while working with him. As far as she knew, Luke was gonna stay on that planet and die. That could have opened up a whole new ending and left some questions for Episode 9, instead we get to reset the Universe AGAIN after The Force Awakens just did that. My big problem with the Last Jedi is that it claims to be a risky movie, but the risks it didn't take hurt it. It will be interesting to see how they finish this story off. I like The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi on their own terms, but they are not working as a cohesive story right now in terms of the entire saga to me.

She did a thigh grab....close enough. I'm totally shipping reylo!

Originally Posted by GEM

She did a thigh grab....close enough. I'm totally shipping reylo!

You're into cousin loving huh?

Originally Posted by Freyaka

You're into cousin loving huh?

They arent cousins.

Originally Posted by GEM

They arent cousins.

So you say, but I'm not convinced that the original reveal of her family heritage was truthful.

Originally Posted by GEM

She did a thigh grab....close enough. I'm totally shipping reylo!

I think Reyned or Trey would be better...

Originally Posted by Freyaka

So you say, but I'm not convinced that the original reveal of her family heritage was truthful.

Agreed. Maybe she's a random orphan who the force runs through as deeply as a Skywalker, but I'll be surprised if that story of being sold for drug money (or whatever it was) holds up. I think in one way or another, she's going to be related to the Skywalker clan.

I like the idea of her being a Kenobi better.

Originally Posted by GEM

I like the idea of her being a Kenobi better.

How would that work though, obi wan Kenobi force ghosting Rey's mother?

Originally Posted by Freyaka

How would that work though, obi wan Kenobi force ghosting Rey's mother?

Obi would be her grandfather.

I think I read something that the guy who directed force awakens had a bigger plan for Rey's parents but he didn't direct Last Jedi. Supposedly he is back for the next movie.

Originally Posted by GEM

Obi would be her grandfather.

No, it's too late for that now... I've got this in my head