Thread: Armstrong gives up fight. Will probably be stripped of Tour de France wins.

they need to lower the mound an inch or two. do that and you will see the bats catch up again

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

It always works in cycles. Hitters will figure it out, no doubt.

Funny, roids also works in cycles.

Originally Posted by Davii

Funny, roids also works in cycles.

Works for pitchers, too. See: Roger Clemens, Bartolo Colon, Guillermo Moto, Rafael Betancourt, Jason Grimsley, Edinson Volquez, etc...

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Works for pitchers, too. See: Roger Clemens, Bartolo Colon, Guillermo Moto, Rafael Betancourt, Jason Grimsley, Edinson Volquez, etc...

Pettit

When you have ten people about to testify against you, it's curtains. There's been enough of this floating around for a long enough time to make me think he's guilty. The accusations have been there since 99. Bonds passed a ton of tests and everyone thought he was guilty.

Originally Posted by Dzone

Baseball sucks now that they have cut down the juicing.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

It's weird to see seasons end and the home run leaders are at the top with barely 40 dingers. I want to see guys hitting 50-60 again. I love the game and appreciate the art of pitching...but no one goes to a ball game to watch batters strikeout.

Could not disagree more. I guess I'm a baseball purist because I love pitchers duels, 1-0 games, the National League, and gold glove fielders. I hate the DH rule, roided freaks hitting 72 home runs, and the AL.

I know it's sort of ironic because I'm a Rockies fan, but I really do love "small ball".

Originally Posted by King87

I think he cheated. They had ten different cats lined up to testify against him. They had blood samples consistent with doping. If he was innocent he wouldn't just give up. Hyper competitive people don't do that.

only two, former cheaters, landis and hamilton have said they have seen LA cheat, they were granted immunity and a clean slate by the usada for sayiong as much.
it has been a 12 year battle for lance, it has cost him millions in defense of his name and reputation. these same clowns were to be the witnesses for the justice department cae against lance. the justice department did consider them CREDIBLE witnesses and therefore felt they had no case and dropped it!
ten witnesses?
name four !

Originally Posted by Chef Zambini

only two, former cheaters, landis and hamilton have said they have seen LA cheat, they were granted immunity and a clean slate by the usada for sayiong as much.
it has been a 12 year battle for lance, it has cost him millions in defense of his name and reputation. these same clowns were to be the witnesses for the justice department cae against lance. the justice department did consider them CREDIBLE witnesses and therefore felt they had no case and dropped it!
ten witnesses?
name four !

Greg Lemond has said it many times, and I could be wrong but he was never accused of cheating.

Too many questions left unanswered.
Good piece in the Telegraph.
Do they move 2nd place up to Tour winner now LA gets stripped of all titles and will the new winner be subject to the same investigations as Lance?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...nanswered.html

its not just tested...its tested 500 times. FIVE HUNDRED times. No one, in any sport, has been tested as many times as Lance Armstrong. As I said. If people are determined to find you at fault, if you just keep trying and trying and trying and trying.... you can "convict" people of anything. "Bonds passed tons of tests too"... yeah, and tons of innocent people have been put in prison for murder based on "eye witnesses." Goes both directions on that. The truth is, they really don't have any concrete evidence. They use the test as their base for finding cheaters, yet then don't believe the very tests they have. Do they test EVER cycler 500 times? No. Its really absurd.

Originally Posted by Sharkie

and will the new winner be subject to the same investigations as Lance?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...nanswered.html

Simple answer there.... No.

Originally Posted by Chef Zambini

the usada is in a turf war with the UCI
lance is trapped in the middle.

bullcrap. every memeber on his team admitted that they were usiing a long time ago.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

Could not disagree more. I guess I'm a baseball purist because I love pitchers duels, 1-0 games, the National League, and gold glove fielders. I hate the DH rule, roided freaks hitting 72 home runs, and the AL.

I know it's sort of ironic because I'm a Rockies fan, but I really do love "small ball".

ewwwwww......

Originally Posted by Dzone

Baseball sucks now that they have cut down the juicing.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

It's weird to see seasons end and the home run leaders are at the top with barely 40 dingers. I want to see guys hitting 50-60 again. I love the game and appreciate the art of pitching...but no one goes to a ball game to watch batters strikeout.

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

ewwwwww......

That's why I like you so much Rav

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

Simple answer there.... No.

Then that's wrong, seeing as quite a few of those on the podium during his victories have proven drug cheat offences.