Thread: Dan Mohrmann (@DanMohrmann) says it's time to part ways with Joe Mays

Originally Posted by gregbroncs

Didn't Miller play DE on passing downs last season? Do you think he won't do that again this season? I have a hard time believing that Fox would just allow a D-coord to not use a #2 pick to his strengths. Fox is not Shannahan he does know something about defense.

I hope so too.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Del Rio has never had a LB like Miller but if he is not getting Miller involved in the pass rush I would hope that Fox would step in and make it happen.......

I hope so too.

Originally Posted by Canmore

Also, I'm curious who the nickle linebackers are without DJ.

Woodyard and the rookie, Leviathon, Treviathon, whatever his name is. Presumably, Miller's moving to DE, and Woodyard and the Rook are the LB's in nickel.

It's a legitimate concern, who'd of thought the Eagles would sign the best bump-and-run CB just to play everything but bump-and-run? But when the Broncos absolutely have to have a defensive stop you would think Del Rio is smart enough to take off the handcuffs.......

Originally Posted by Tned

Woodyard and the rookie, Leviathon, Treviathon, whatever his name is. Presumably, Miller's moving to DE, and Woodyard and the Rook are the LB's in nickel.

I think, as long as D.J. Williams is suspended, the nickel linebackers are going to be Mays and Woodyard, with Miller going to a defensive end-like position (at least that's how I would use him).

UNLESS, the Broncos are comfortable with Dumervil, Ayers and Wolfe playing a NASCAR-like line, with Miller roving. If Wolfe and Ayers can be those guys (IF) then Miller and Woodyard can be the nickel linebackers, and IF Bailey, Porter, Harris and Florence are studs, then presumably, Miller OR Woodyard, could blitz at any time, making the defensive scheme even more dangerous. And THAT opens up corner blitzes, and Bailey and Porter are both physical corners.

Oh, man, I hopes its as good as I'm thinking.

Miller will line up almost exclusively at de in nickel situations. That leaves wood, trevathathan Mays and Irvin for 6 games. Im thinking the kentucky combo of woodyard and trevathantrevathan

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

People continue to point to Boulware, but since Boulware, as a head coach, he's never had a linebacker who's had more than 2.5 sacks (I believe, that's going off memory). The schemes he, himself, employed (not those employed by guys he's worked for as with Boulware) have not employed blitzing linebackers. He's employed giant defensive lines who have gotten by on strength, not speed. The defensive line Denver has is completely opposite of that and the best rusher he has is a linebacker.

We'll see, but I am leery.

Boulware and the Baltimore defense I am familiar with. Wasn't familiar with Del Rio's track record as a head coach. I would like to think we are going to play to our strengths. That is something Fox has shown an ability to do with the Denver offense and defense I feel. I certainly hope that is going to continue with Del Rio as coordinator.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I think, as long as D.J. Williams is suspended, the nickel linebackers are going to be Mays and Woodyard, with Miller going to a defensive end-like position (at least that's how I would use him).

Could be, but from what I've been reading, early in camp they have been playing Woodyard and Trevathon with the first team nickel defense, not Mays. So, that tells me they are giving Trevathon a chance to win the nickel starting spot, and will only fall back to Mays if Trevathon doesn't hold the spot.

Originally Posted by Tned

Could be, but from what I've been reading, early in camp they have been playing Woodyard and Trevathon with the first team nickel defense, not Mays. So, that tells me they are giving Trevathon a chance to win the nickel starting spot, and will only fall back to Mays if Trevathon doesn't hold the spot.

I asked Cecil Lammey what he's been seeing at camp when the Broncos are in nickel and this is what he said. I asked if Von's been playing DE in Nickel.

@BroncosForums they're experimenting - von is hybrid DE on most downs, not really OLB, front 4 in nickel usually 91,94,96,92

As far as I know, Nate Irving is our only other option at Middle Linebacker. If he can't beat Joe Mays, then I see no reason to get rid of our starting middle linebacker.

Beef said he has the nicest body on the team, so I think that should count for something.

they could replace any of our LB's with any no-names and I dont think they would miss a beat

Elway did not feel comfortable locking Mays up long-term, but still proved to not be happy with his other options. The best thing for Elway at this point is to cut or trade Mays and hope Irving can grow into the position. He is built more like a middle linebacker than Mays is and he has a veteran defensive coordinator in Jack Del Rio – also a former linebacker – that can help him fine-tune his game. Mays was given his opportunity and made the most out of it.

The question I have is this. How do guys get jobs as sportswriters when they write stuff as stupid as this?

Obviously if Elway & Fox thought that Irving could do the job as starting MLB they would NEVER have signed Joe Mays to a $4 million a year contract! That's STARTER money.

Now this idiot can say that Joe's not worth the money. Fine, we'll see this season. But, to suggest that the Broncos EAT HIS SALARY by trading or cutting him at this point is beyond idiotic.

If they were going to replace Joe Mays they should have let him go in FA and signed a FA MLB back in February or March! Failing that they are stuck with Mays for this season and probably beyond that unless Irving just has a breakout year.

And frankly, nobody expects Irving to do much this season. That's why he is the backup. If he supplants Mays by the end of the season we'll know he's had some significant development this year and that Mays will be expendable next off season.

Until then this idiot needs to give it a rest.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I think, as long as D.J. Williams is suspended, the nickel linebackers are going to be Mays and Woodyard, with Miller going to a defensive end-like position (at least that's how I would use him).

UNLESS, the Broncos are comfortable with Dumervil, Ayers and Wolfe playing a NASCAR-like line, with Miller roving. If Wolfe and Ayers can be those guys (IF) then Miller and Woodyard can be the nickel linebackers, and IF Bailey, Porter, Harris and Florence are studs, then presumably, Miller OR Woodyard, could blitz at any time, making the defensive scheme even more dangerous. And THAT opens up corner blitzes, and Bailey and Porter are both physical corners.

Oh, man, I hopes its as good as I'm thinking.

do you have a gameplan in place for the games DOOM is going to miss?

Originally Posted by Chef Zambini

do you have a gameplan in place for the games DOOM is going to miss?

Originally Posted by getlynched47

As far as I know, Nate Irving is our only other option at Middle Linebacker. If he can't beat Joe Mays, then I see no reason to get rid of our starting middle linebacker.

They've been running Irving at SLB in camp.

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