Thread: Broncos Mailbag: Denver fans, was pain of McDaniels worth Manning?

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

McDaniels being fired when he was circumvented him setting the team back generations.

I'm not sure what this sentence means, but it's pretty obvious that McDaniels didn't set this team any further back than about a year and a half.

So, forgive me if I get a kick out of the "he set the team back a decade" bullshit.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I'm not sure what this sentence means, but it's pretty obvious that McDaniels didn't set this team any further back than about a year and a half.

So, forgive me if I get a kick out of the "he set the team back a decade" bullshit.

It's really hilarious. Even had we not gotten Manning the team was already well on it's way back to respectability. People who honestly thought he set the team back a decade really must not know how the NFL works.

Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest

It's really hilarious. Even had we not gotten Manning the team was already well on it's way back to respectability. People who honestly thought he set the team back a decade really must not know how the NFL works.

We had a franchise quarterback in Cutler. They don't grow on trees. Look at how many teams are looking for theirs. I think many of those who preached doom and gloom were thinking that we were not going to find ours for upwards of a decade or even more. How many teams are in that boat? Well, we got Manning. The problem is what shape is he really in and how long is he going to play. He really is a stop gap. Best hope, we get five really good seasons out of him. Worse case scenario, we are playing Hanie or Oz this year. Yes, we were on our way to respectability, but in Broncos land that isn't good enough.

Originally Posted by Cugel

It's an interesting question. If Manning wins a SB, then was the fear and loathing, the angst and suffering that was Josh McDaniels worth while?

It's difficult to say yes to this, even though 2 years after the deluge here are certain inadvertent upsides to McMoron's utter incompetence.

For instance, the Jay Cutler trade meant that Manning could come here. The 4-12 record in 2010 meant that the Broncos were in position to draft Von Miller. On the other hand any sane GM would have drafted either Clay Matthews or Brian Orakpo instead of Knowshon Moreno in 2009. There would be a core of valuable 3rd and 4th year players in place here instead of a giant sucking wound from 2009 & 2010.A sane GM wouldn't have thrown away all those draft picks, but a sane coach wouldn't have tried to trade Jay Cutler even up for Matt Cassel in the first place, so Denver wouldn't have had some of the picks McDaniels squandered on Moreno, Tebow, Alphonso Smith, etc., etc.

All in all it's hard to get over the daily suffering inflicted by McDaniels. I came closer to not giving a damn about the Broncos than ever before. If McDaniels had lasted another season, I would have stopped being a Broncos fan. I just couldn't take any more of his crap.

Even if Manning wins the SB I'm not going to forgive McMoron for anything. Ever. (Bitter dead-ender who still hates McMoron with all the burning intensity of a million white hot suns).

you get my salute just for quoting the great scholar and philosopher, AL BUNDEY

plain and simple, if we didnt have ELWAY, we would not have MANNING !
JMCD did not give LE to the broncos !
... and if it wasnt for LUCK, the colts would not have parted with PM in the first place!
ATLANTA has general sherman
Chicago has MRS, O'LEARY's COW,
denver has josh mcdaniels !

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I'm not sure what this sentence means, but it's pretty obvious that McDaniels didn't set this team any further back than about a year and a half.

So, forgive me if I get a kick out of the "he set the team back a decade" bullshit.

Its not bullshit at ALl. You think the "plan" was to have a Manning available in FA?? What if Manning didn't come along, then we would STILL have Tim Tebow as our starting QB. How much longer would that have set us back?? How many QBs has San Fran gone through, Buffalo, Miami, San Diego (before Rivers), Pittsburgh (before Roth)....... how easy do you suppose it is to FIND and draft a quality QB?? IT'S BULLSHIT when someone doesn't see that the removal of talent that McDaniels did...ABSOLUTELY... put this team back ten years if it wasn't for an AMAZING amount of fortunate "Luck" on so many levels. How many WRs have we EVER drafted with Marshall's talent?

Was it worth it to have McDaniels?

Nope.

It took getting not only one of the greatest players in football history but Bronco history to get the ship back on course. McDaniels was a bum and is still a bum and its clearly evident in not only what he did here but his failure in St. Louis as well. Now, he is back home in NE where he has a HOF QB to make him look pretty again but he was a vast mistake of a choice. Luckily, it didnt cost us more than it initially did and thankfully Bowlen didnt give him a third year to drag it further down into oblivion.

Cutler had his issues, Marshall had his but i could deal with any of that any day of the week over Josh McDaniel's stupid ass. He is the epitome of epic failure.

Are you guys as excited about the 2019 season as I am? Starts in two months...

Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest

It's really hilarious. Even had we not gotten Manning the team was already well on it's way back to respectability. People who honestly thought he set the team back a decade really must not know how the NFL works.

No we weren't. Winning that playoff game with Tebow wasn't "back to respectiblity"..thats a JOKE. We were the JOKE of the NFL, and STILL would have had Tebow trying to run an offense in this league if Luck wasn't available to draft, and if Indy didn't happen to have the worst record this year. Mix that with if Manning do exactly the right things, or if another team had done a better job. The UNBELIEVABLE set of circumstances that had do occur for us to sign the largest FA in franchise history, are off the charts.

You think its "so easy to get back" in today's NFL....REALLY??? How long did it take for the Giants to get back to the Super Bowl before Eli? What about Pitt since the 70s? San Fran? Dallas? These were GIANTS in the NFL with amazing runs of multible Super Bowls in short spans, yet have been reduced to basically after-thoughts once losing a top QB. Ask Buffalo, or Miami, what its been like to watch their team since losing their QB

It doesn't even matter if you believe Cutler to be "That" kind of QB or not....because the point is, once you get a guy that has the talent and the potential, is only 24 years old, and SHOWING to be a VERY good QB in the NFL..... you do NOT SIMPLY LET THEM GO. Its absolutely ******* STUPID, and by looking at the EVIDENCE OF TODAY'S NFL (which apparantly you believe you are better at observing than everyone) shows that when you do NOT keep top talent at the QB position, you spend DECADES looking for new ones.

You obviously DO NOT KNOW how the NFL works.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Are you guys as excited about the 2019 season as I am? Starts in two months...

Actually, i was excited the day Josh was fired.

We had to use first round picks to select a player to replace Cutler.
We had to use a first round pick to select a player to replace Marshall...... (and NEITHER are even close)

We then had to replace TEs, and RBs...and then again, had to spend money to replace the QB that was a replacement for the QB we already had.

Alllllll resources that COULD have been spent on other places. Instead, we've spent the last two years scrambling to try and replace the replacements of positions and players that were already in place. Yet, still, having to rely on good fortune and 'luck' to get closer.

I would have loved to see what our team woudl look like now if we could have used those first round picks on other positions rather than WR, QB, RB. What could we have gotten in this offseason had we not had the need to go after Manning?

Would I rather have a team that has been building with CUtler, Marshall, the first round picks we COULD have gotten, and the FAs that we could have signed instead. Most probably.

I don't care for McDaniels at all, but I didn't then and still don't mind Cutler being gone from the team.

Bronco playoff wins since the 2006 draft: 1
Jay Cutler playoff wins since the 2006 draft: 1

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Bronco playoff wins since the 2006 draft: 1
Jay Cutler playoff wins since the 2006 draft: 1

Brilliance :eyeroll:

Peyton's Super Bowls won since 2006: 1
Eli's Super Bowls won since 2006: 2

Eli must be better.