Thread: Broncos Mailbag: Denver fans, was pain of McDaniels worth Manning?

Mike, with all the drama the Broncos have gone through since Mike Shanahan's firing, I think it's time to re-evaluate the Jay Cutler trade and the impact it's had on the makeup of this year's team. I feel we have a better chance to win a Super Bowl now (I'm optimistic about Peyton Manning's neck), than if we had held on to Cutler. But I'm not sure it was worth three years of pain and mediocrity. Was it?
--Nick, Richmond, Va.

You have mixed feelings and many thoughts, all in one mailbag-opening letter. To begin, the Broncos would not have gone through so much misery from the second half of 2009 through the early part of 2011 had Josh McDaniels not let his young male pride get in the way of his relationship with Jay Cutler.

This was a 26-year-old quarterback coming off a Pro Bowl season in his third season. McDaniels chose the Broncos ahead of other head coaching opportunities because of Cutler. Instead, it was two petulant children who couldn't get along. Only in Denver.

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we got Luckier than ANY team in the history of free-agency with Manning being available. The Cutler trade was STILL the dumbest move that could have been made for this franchise, and easily put this team back a long long time. Add in the stupidness of marshall.... its just doubles. To say that "this season" is a result of McDaniels douch-ery, is looking past the fact that we have to try and rebuild BECAUSE that moronic-dip-shit decided his ego was more important than talent. Absolutely, without a doubt, the biggest piece-o-crap to ever be associated with the Denver Broncos..... is Josh McDaniels.

I was watching the Chargers "Houchuli" game a few nights ago and it left me wishing we still had Cutler and Marshall. What fun it would have been watching those two light up scoreboards together before McDaniels came to town. Cutler still has 6-7 years on Manning so we could enjoy him a lot longer.

Peyton Manning is a far better QB than Jay Cutler, the Broncos made out like bandits. But McDaniels didn't make Manning possible, John Elway did. Having said that, I'd settle for Cutler if Doogie never happened.......

It all depends on if Manning comes out, plays up to his old potential for a few years and takes us deep into the playoffs. Only time will tell.

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

we got Luckier than ANY team in the history of free-agency with Manning being available. The Cutler trade was STILL the dumbest move that could have been made for this franchise, and easily put this team back a long long time. Add in the stupidness of marshall.... its just doubles. To say that "this season" is a result of McDaniels douch-ery, is looking past the fact that we have to try and rebuild BECAUSE that moronic-dip-shit decided his ego was more important than talent. Absolutely, without a doubt, the biggest piece-o-crap to ever be associated with the Denver Broncos..... is Josh McDaniels.

BTW, Rav, what do you think of Josh?
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Absolutely, without a doubt, the biggest piece-o-crap to ever be associated with the Denver Broncos..... is Josh McDaniels.


on this we agree 100%

its bizarre rational to point to manning and say, gosh, if it wasnt for JMCD we never would have peyton.

ask someone in the springs who lost their home and have to rebuild t a similar question !
maybe they had a leaky roof or a kitchen they wanted to re-model, ask them if it was all worth it when they rebuild their home.
I give no glory to josh !
we have PM thanks to JE !
JMCD can live a miserable life and die a horrible death !

"30 years of plague and darkness, and now, oh Lord, finally . . . a light!" -- Al Bundy

It's an interesting question. If Manning wins a SB, then was the fear and loathing, the angst and suffering that was Josh McDaniels worth while?

It's difficult to say yes to this, even though 2 years after the deluge here are certain inadvertent upsides to McMoron's utter incompetence.

For instance, the Jay Cutler trade meant that Manning could come here. The 4-12 record in 2010 meant that the Broncos were in position to draft Von Miller. On the other hand any sane GM would have drafted either Clay Matthews or Brian Orakpo instead of Knowshon Moreno in 2009. There would be a core of valuable 3rd and 4th year players in place here instead of a giant sucking wound from 2009 & 2010.

A sane GM wouldn't have thrown away all those draft picks, but a sane coach wouldn't have tried to trade Jay Cutler even up for Matt Cassel in the first place, so Denver wouldn't have had some of the picks McDaniels squandered on Moreno, Tebow, Alphonso Smith, etc., etc.

All in all it's hard to get over the daily suffering inflicted by McDaniels. I came closer to not giving a damn about the Broncos than ever before. If McDaniels had lasted another season, I would have stopped being a Broncos fan. I just couldn't take any more of his crap.

Even if Manning wins the SB I'm not going to forgive McMoron for anything. Ever. (Bitter dead-ender who still hates McMoron with all the burning intensity of a million white hot suns).

Originally Posted by Cugel

Even if Manning wins the SB I'm not going to forgive McMoron for anything. Ever. (Bitter dead-ender who still hates McMoron with all the burning intensity of a million white hot suns).

absolutely not. If we could ever win the Super Bowl with Manning (or even go), there is NO WAY McDoosh had a single OUNCE of responsibility for that. We would have recouped, recharged, and rebuild DESPITE having to deal with the McDick fiasco.

Thats like "thanking the tornado" for the increase in jobs of rebuilding the homes that were destroyed by the tornado.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Peyton Manning is a far better QB than Jay Cutler, the Broncos made out like bandits. But McDaniels didn't make Manning possible, John Elway did. Having said that, I'd settle for Cutler if Doogie never happened.......

The big different is that Culter is a pro bowl caliber QB, Manning is HOF. The difference is how long we could have had Culter for compared to Manning. We had a great offense before McDumbass came in. Our defense needed help. If we could have brought in a better DC minded coach we might have faired better in the long run. But right now we might be back to where we were but we have a QB with a couple years left in tank compared to Culter who stilll has many.

Originally Posted by NightTerror218

The big different is that Culter is a pro bowl caliber QB, Manning is HOF. The difference is how long we could have had Culter for compared to Manning. We had a great offense before McDumbass came in. Our defense needed help. If we could have brought in a better DC minded coach we might have faired better in the long run. But right now we might be back to where we were but we have a QB with a couple years left in tank compared to Culter who stilll has many.

Huge, huge fan of watching Jay Cutler here, l love watching him play QB, but he may never be as good as the QB "we might" get in Manning. You're assuming that Manning will just be a blip on the Broncos radar while I'm assuming that his injury history and durability still play a role in his longevity.

If I could go back and change it all l would but the Broncos made the best of a shitty situation, they stepped in a pile of shit and came out smelling like a rose.......

Originally Posted by Jaded

Huge, huge fan of watching Jay Cutler here, l love watching him play QB, but he may never be as good as the QB "we might" get in Manning. You're assuming that Manning will just be a blip on the Broncos radar while I'm assuming that his injury history and durability still play a role in his longevity.

If I could go back and change it all l would but the Broncos made the best of a shitty situation, they stepped in a pile of shit and came out smelling like a rose.......

exatcly. I would rather have never traded cutler and gone through the humiliation of being one of the worst teams in the league and have to rebuild the defense and the offense. I could only imagine who we could have drafted on the defense side if we went straight for a defensive minded coach instead of McD. I think manning could bring us Super Bowl wins. But I also think if we had a better team with Cutler then the last 3 years.

Just the mention of his name makes me see red.

I always think of the 2009 draft and who we should have drafted at #12

Brian Cushing
Clay Mathews
Brian Orakpo