Thread: Marshall could be docked $35,000

Originally Posted by Cicero

Thanks for the Harrison tidbit, I was thinking it'd of been him or Rice -- but wasn't sure. Four though? Wow. If you catch 500 balls in a career that is actually damn impressive, he did 4/5 of that in four years. Insane.

If he wasn't an awful postseason player he would go down as a top three WR.

Originally Posted by lex

Inflated numbers? Its not like he only makes catches when he's open. The guy is probably the best in the league at making a catch in the endzone along the sidelines. He's also one of the best running after the catch. Inflated numbers? I think its probably more accurate to say that he is using numbers to prove that he can play, which is true.

Cutler had 25 touchdown passes last year and only 6 of them went to Marshall, none of them in the last 3 games. He caught 7 of Cutler's 20 touchdown passes in 2007. Please don't talk about him being one of the best at catching the ball in the end zone, even if you limit it to along the sidelines. It just isn't true.

Originally Posted by broncofanatic1987

Cutler had 25 touchdown passes last year and only 6 of them went to Marshall, none of them in the last 3 games. He caught 7 of Cutler's 20 touchdown passes in 2007. Please don't talk about him being one of the best at catching the ball in the end zone, even if you limit it to along the sidelines. It just isn't true.

It most certainly is true. The guy is great in those situations. But one of the reasons our offense was bogged down inside the 20 (more specifically the 10), is that with so many RBs going down, the run was less of a threat and that only made throwing that much more congested. When we had Pittman as a short yardage specialist, we were able to score TDs whether by running or passing. Same was true when we had Hillis. But after he went down, there was really no one for that kind of situation, which, like I said, made it toughter to throw because of congestion. If you can roll coverage to one receiver the way defenses could against Marshall last year (again the lack of a running game), then any WR is going to have a challenge scoring.

Not only that, but Marshall played with a bad hip last year and also that lingering arm injury...and still produced.

Originally Posted by Cicero

Yep, they were most definitely inflated. Any time you get 180+ balls thrown your way, you are going to have great numbers. He is still going to produce though, not as much. We agree on that. And yes, I think Eddie in a Welker like role will be able to do a lot in this offense; but I think Brandon being out there will help and he can do quite well. As I mentioned elsewhere, I think 70-75 catches for Marshall would be realistic; and that isn't anything to frown upon at all.



Well, not focusing on him 95% of the time -- but I get your picture. Then again, when did we start holding the fact that he was a targeted receiver against him? Coaches and players had the confidence in getting him the ball. Are we going to say the same things for Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin who had a lot of targets as well and try and knock them for it? No.

The NFL is airing the ball out more than ever. 180+ is an extremely high number, and I'd expect him to get in the 120 range (per average) with Orton at the helm. I'd have to see the targets Welker and Moss got in New England while McDaniels was calling the plays to see more of a #1/#2 ratio in target distribution to come up with a more sound number; but anyways -- Marshall would have the chance to produce like a quality receiver regardless.

But no, he won't get the opportunities like he had here with Cutler and Mike. Agreed. I've been saying that for a few days now.

What people are failing to comprehend is that what Marshall might be losing in catches, he could be making up for in yardage. NEs offense is built on that WR screen. It sets up the running game and it sets up the long pass. Sometimes they even throw it to Moss. But by using Royal as the main WR in this play, it could easily open things up for Marshall. IF teams that dont match up get tired of being nickled and dimed to death, that then creates opportunities for Marshall to get more big plays. In the end, Marshall would be just as productive if he had as many yards even on fewer catches.

Its amazing what people will ignore to trash Marshall, in spite of what he has done.

Exactly, but why bother stating that to people who could give a shit less and just think it is fun to piss on players by attempts at being witty with nicknames like "Morons Anonymous" and "Mar$$$$hall!" -- It is just easier to do that!

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Well, I wont deny his skills, but I cant say he's be putting up 100 catches if he wasnt thrown to 150+ times. Will the new offense focus on him as much as Cutler did? Most likely not.

Just my opinion, but the numbers he's had the past 2 seasons will likely not be seen again. If not for the offense, then due to suspendions, injuries, etc.

Its good to have two WRs to make this offense work. So much of the offense flows through the WR screen that it makes it optimum to have two guys who can play off of each other in determining how defenses roll their coverage. Like I said, they can use one to nickel and dime the defense and one to make them pay deep. If you only have one legit WR, then it makes it easier for defenses to roll coverage to one side.

Originally Posted by lex

Its good to have two WRs to make this offense work. So much of the offense flows through the WR screen that it makes it optimum to have two guys who can play off of each other in determining how defenses roll their coverage. Like I said, they can use one to nickel and dime the defense and one to make them pay deep. If you only have one legit WR, then it makes it easier for defenses to roll coverage to one side.

I agree. I guess my point is more along the lines of the fact that we can pay Marshall all we want...but whether he's traded, injured, suspended or imprisoned, the result of only having one legit receiver is still the same.

Show me you will be healthy and stay out of trouble and I'll pay you. Until then, you have no chips to bargain with. Yes...you have skills and are a top talent...but you also have ALOT of baggage.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

I agree. I guess my point is more along the lines of the fact that we can pay Marshall all we want...but whether he's traded, injured, suspended or imprisoned, the result of only having one legit receiver is still the same.

Show me you will be healthy and stay out of trouble and I'll pay you. Until then, you have no chips to bargain with. Yes...you have skills and are a top talent...but you also have ALOT of baggage.

As many have said, putting incentives in the contract and paying him makes as much sense as trading him at this point since we would likely not getting comparable talent in return.

Originally Posted by lex

As many have said, putting incentives in the contract and paying him makes as much sense as trading him at this point since we would likely not getting comparable talent in return.

But that's all assuming he agrees to the incentive clauses. All he has to do is say No to them and we're back at square one.

While Brandon may or may not catch as many passes this year as last, it doesnt underscore his value one bit. The reason Brandon is where hes at is because he makes plays.

It all started in that Seattle game where he broke about four tackles to go 70+ yards for a score.

The guy gets open, gets the ball, makes people miss, and can knock em to the ground.

He also blocks.

He was injured last year and it affected his YAC bigtime imo.

Just because he may not be thrown to as much doesnt devalue him one bit.

Moss and Welker seem to be thrown to just fine.

Welker was their number one receiver with 111 receptions. Moss had 69.

But Brandon Marshall is not Randy Moss. If Brandon were in New England he would catch more than 69 passes.

Moss is a wimp. He knows one route......the 9er. He will not catch in traffic, and hes scared to get hit.

Brandon is not afraid to go over the middle.


Brandon is a number one reciever skillwise period.

He has proven himself a risk off the field.


One thing good about this time that McDaniels pointed out is that Brandon wouldnt be here anyway. Hes still rehabbing.

I hope he gets a contract extentsion, but I also hope it has provisions built to protect the Broncos fully in case theres a problem.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

But that's all assuming he agrees to the incentive clauses. All he has to do is say No to them and we're back at square one.

Why would he not agree to the incentive clauses if he is getting paid what is commensurate with his production/talent?

A better question is what reason do you have to assume he wont.

Originally Posted by lex

Why would he not agree to the incentive clauses if he is getting paid what is commensurate with his production/talent?

A better question is what reason do you have to assume he wont.

Why do you have to assume that Bowlen low-balled him? All any of us are doing is assuming, and probably ALL of us are wrong in some manner.

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

Why do you have to assume that Bowlen low-balled him? All any of us are doing is assuming, and probably ALL of us are wrong in some manner.

Youre responding to a post in a different thread.

Originally Posted by lex

Youre responding to a post in a different thread.

So? Do your assumptions change when you change threads? Mine don't.

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

So? Do your assumptions change when you change threads? Mine don't.

No, they dont change.