Thread: It appears Brandon Marshall might be done in Denver

I dont know about all that...

Its been reported that he is holding out until he gets a new contract. Thats why he packed up the boxes. Not because he was being cut or traded.

He does not want to show up to our trainers without a new contract. Plus the already aformentioned he is a top 15 WR inthe NFL and is getting paid less than 70 wr.

I cant even name 70 WR....... THats how little he is making. 32 teams, i can name probably the top wr or top 2 on each team and thats 64, then i can name our and a few other teams 3/4th wr......Thats pathetic.



I hate this. And i am starting to hate Mcd, weather its his fault or not. I need a scape goat and unfortunately i cant blame the ex wife.

WTF? I'm gone for a couple days and now Marshall is acting like a crybaby too?

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

This situation is more like Devin Hester's last off season. We'll cave in and sign him to an extension eventually, just not quite the one Marshall wants. He'll give up after all the fines start piling up.

I think your right here BUT hr id hurting his cause by not being in camp participating in the meetings and coaching sessions.. for that matter being on the sideline watching what is going on.. he is now some 14-15 session behind his fellow WR and will take time to get him up to speed in just learning the routes..

Originally Posted by broncohead

He is getting paid like a 4th round draft pick with top 10 production. I completely see where he's coming from. Now if he's asking for a big contract I can see why the FO would hesitate.

He is a 4th round draft choice that became the favorite receives to a QB that is no LONGER HERE the system has changed and he will no longer have to catch in heavy traffic because the D will be hard pressed to give him double coverage when we are NOW LOOKING for the open ma instead of forcing the ball to him.. He is talented but will he have the same value in the new scheme as the old one?..

Originally Posted by underrated29

I dont know about all that...

Its been reported that he is holding out until he gets a new contract. Thats why he packed up the boxes. Not because he was being cut or traded.

He does not want to show up to our trainers without a new contract. Plus the already aforementioned he is a top 15 WR Ianthe NFL and is getting paid less than 70 WR.

I cant even name 70 WR....... Thats how little he is making. 32 teams, i can name probably the top WR or top 2 on each team and thats 64, then i can name our and a few other teams 3/4th wr......Thats pathetic.



I hate this. And i am starting to hate Mcd, weather its his fault or not. I need a scape goat and unfortunately i cant blame the ex wife.

I find it hard to believe that are 70 WR that are making more than 2.2 a year also.. sometimes numbers are not all they are made out to be..

Originally Posted by honz

WTF? I'm gone for a couple days and now Marshall is acting like a crybaby too?

yep got pro bowl fever.. like poorti$$$, a$$$hley, jay, javon did.. they were suffering from egotism, money depe$$$ion..

Why wouldn't Brandon have the same value in this scheme? He'll be consistently split out and put in various receiving positions, giving versatility to his game and the ability to go against different defenses from several slots. The only reason Marshall won't get the same production on the field this year is the fact that he won't be getting thrown the ball over 180 times; he still has a lot to offer in the offense.

[QUOTE=Jrwiz;675688]

He is a 4th round draft choice that became the favorite receives to a QB that is no LONGER HERE the system has changed and he will no longer have to catch in heavy traffic because the D will be hard pressed to give him double coverage when we are NOW LOOKING for the open ma instead of forcing the ball to him.. He is talented but will he have the same value in the new scheme as the old one?..

He became the favorite target for a reason. When he has the ball in his hands he is a nightmare. Thats why team double cover him. The system will help Marshall as much as the QB. Why? Because it will allow other recievers to get open making it harder to focus on one guy.

yep got pro bowl fever.. like poorti$$$, a$$$hley, jay, javon did.. they were suffering from egotism, money depe$$$ion..

Ya it's easy to find young pro bowl talent. They are everywhere.

Originally Posted by Cicero

Why wouldn't Brandon have the same value in this scheme? He'll be consistently split out and put in various receiving positions, giving versatility to his game and the ability to go against different defenses from several slots. The only reason Marshall won't get the same production on the field this year is the fact that he won't be getting thrown the ball over 180 times; he still has a lot to offer in the offense.

yes he does have the same value as any of the other WR has.. he was used more last year because of the pro bowl fever that they got, as well as the O was wide open for the passing game.. IMO mike saw it as his only salvation.. I suspect that jay rarely if ever was talked to about going deep when there was a guy wide open short..


it will be a controlled game this year with the QB getting his ass chewed off if he overlooks the open guy to go deep like what happened last year..

this year is is all about moving the chains and TOP and scoring in the red zone for the offenses.. NO TURNOVERS.. who were the biggest TO machines last year.. one is gone a nd the other is about to step out the door..

Originally Posted by broncohead

He became the favorite target for a reason. When he has the ball in his hands he is a nightmare. Thats why team double cover him. The system will help Marshall as much as the QB. Why? Because it will allow other recievers to get open making it harder to focus on one guy.



Ya it's easy to find young pro bowl talent. They are everywhere.

no it is not easy to find pro bowl talent, but sometimes you do not need it either..

in this upcoming scheme they will find open receivers because frankly in most cases they will be playing their 3-4-5th best DB on one of our WR and the confusion created by the patterns will cause someone to be open.. you do not have to have pro bowlers to cause that..

not to mention we have at least two really good receiving TE's and all of our running backs are good to great at catching the ball..


IIRC NE won a lot of games, play off games and a couple super bowls with out a mar$$$hall type WR.. In fact when they got a stud WR they lost the next SUPERBOWL almost getting a perfect season.. now that is not to say he was the cause they lost, but he did not bail the team out in that game either..

lots of good points. Bottom line-is he worth the suspense every off-season, will he be available for the first game, 2'nd, 8'th?

I love the guy, who fights harder for yac?

Can he play in Mcd's controlled game? Can he run precise routes and read the defense and make the correct check-off? I have my doubts. Cutler and BM played a lot of sandlot football the last two years.

I want Marshall to be here, but I'm a Broncos fan more than I am a fan of his. If he's gonna get rid of the Baby TO label, and just become TO, then he's making me lose interest.

I don't profess to know what the story is, and will wait to see what the final outcome is. Doesn't look really good, but McDaniels is being more like Herb Brooks... doesn't want the BEST players, he wants the RIGHT players. He's seen the Pats' way work for a number of years, and knows that system, which is to have a team that wins, instead of a team that can collect stats. And it's kind of interesting how the Pats didn't win it all once they finally got a superstar wideout, but they did win with decent team players previous to Moss getting there. (and I hope they NEVER get rings while Moss is there.)

Like it or not folks, he's building towards what he has seen work. I'm not saying I'm sold on his every move, but he's making it pretty clear what his plan is, and how he rolls.

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

yes he does have the same value as any of the other WR has.. he was used more last year because of the pro bowl fever that they got, as well as the O was wide open for the passing game.. IMO mike saw it as his only salvation.. I suspect that jay rarely if ever was talked to about going deep when there was a guy wide open short..


it will be a controlled game this year with the QB getting his ass chewed off if he overlooks the open guy to go deep like what happened last year..

this year is is all about moving the chains and TOP and scoring in the red zone for the offenses.. NO TURNOVERS.. who were the biggest TO machines last year.. one is gone a nd the other is about to step out the door..

We could talk to death about the Jay trade but the fact is Marshall is still a Bronco. If he doesn't play this year the offense will struggle with only 1 maybe 2 difference makers where Marshall is a playmaker.

Originally Posted by horsepig

lots of good points. Bottom line-is he worth the suspense every off-season, will he be available for the first game, 2'nd, 8'th?

I love the guy, who fights harder for yac?

Can he play in Mcd's controlled game? Can he run precise routes and read the defense and make the correct check-off? I have my doubts. Cutler and BM played a lot of sandlot football the last two years.

I believe this to be a very true statement.. and if the maestro is gone who is gonna get him the ball if he is not controlled and I think because of all of his personal FUBARs since coming to DEN, there has to be a HUGE doubt in the HC and WR coaches mind.. on whether he can be our kind of controlled TEAM WR.. or if he can DOES he want to be..

[QUOTE=Jrwiz;675699]

no it is not easy to find pro bowl talent, but sometimes you do not need it either..

in this upcoming scheme they will find open receivers because frankly in most cases they will be playing their 3-4-5th best DB on one of our WR and the confusion created by the patterns will cause someone to be open.. you do not have to have pro bowlers to cause that..

Brady is an all pro QB. I guess I don't get your point because Orton is no Brady.

not to mention we have at least two really good receiving TE's and all of our running backs are good to great at catching the ball..

We have 1. Graham hasn't shown the ability to catch passes consistantly.

IIRC NE won a lot of games, play off games and a couple super bowls with out a mar$$$hall type WR.. In fact when they got a stud WR they lost the next SUPERBOWL almost getting a perfect season.. now that is not to say he was the cause they lost, but he did not bail the team out in that game either..

Actually Marshall and Moss are 2 different types of WR and we don't even have a defense to compare.

Originally Posted by broncohead

We could talk to death about the Jay trade but the fact is Marshall is still a Bronco. If he doesn't play this year the offense will struggle with only 1 maybe 2 difference makers where Marshall is a playmaker.

we have 4-5 difference makers on this team, Hillis, Moreno, Stokely, Royal, Scheffler, Graham, Jabbey with several others waiting in the wings to move up.. to play team ball.. every RB we have can catch and run with the ball..

would I like to have this moron back sure but not if he is not ready to play mentally as well as physically..

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

we have 4-5 difference makers on this team, Hillis, Moreno, Stokely, Royal, Scheffler, Graham, Jabbey with several others waiting in the wings to move up.. to play team ball.. every RB we have can catch and run with the ball..

would I like to have this moron back sure but not if he is not ready to play mentally as well as physically..

If we had that many difference makers wouldn't we have scored more?

Originally Posted by underrated29

I dont know about all that...

Its been reported that he is holding out until he gets a new contract. Thats why he packed up the boxes. Not because he was being cut or traded.

He does not want to show up to our trainers without a new contract. Plus the already aformentioned he is a top 15 WR inthe NFL and is getting paid less than 70 wr.

I cant even name 70 WR....... THats how little he is making. 32 teams, i can name probably the top wr or top 2 on each team and thats 64, then i can name our and a few other teams 3/4th wr......Thats pathetic.



I hate this. And i am starting to hate Mcd, weather its his fault or not. I need a scape goat and unfortunately i cant blame the ex wife.

I just looked up the 2008 Salaries for WR and here are all the guys that made more that mar$$$hall will this coming year.. $2.2 MILLION now not everyone is still on this list but I suspect those like Harrison that are gone will be replaced by someone else and 2009 Salaries are not out yet.. he also made about 2.1 after all bonuses like the pro bowl and such last year..

this is sorted by actaul salery and not cap value..

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  Position 
   2008   WR  
 
   Player  Team  Base Salary  Sign Bonus  Other Bonus  Total Salary  Cap Value  
   Fitzgerald, Larry  Cardinals  $ 2,100,000  $ 15,000,000  $ 3,480  $ 17,103,480  $ 6,996,814  
   Moss, Randy  Patriots  $ 1,900,000  $ 12,000,000  $ 106,720  $ 14,006,720  $ 6,006,720  
   Owens, Terrell  Cowboys  $ 830,000  $ 12,900,000  $ 1,560  $ 13,731,560  $ 5,723,228  
   Berrian, Bernard  Vikings  $ 605,000  $ 5,000,000  $ 8,100,000  $ 13,705,000  $ 9,538,333  
   Walker, Javon  Raiders  $ 1,000,000  $ 11,000,000  $ 960  $ 12,000,960  $ 2,834,293  
   Evans, Lee  Bills  $ 11,730,770  $ 0  $ 88,042  $ 11,818,812  $ 10,462,627  
   Johnson, Andre  Texans  $ 2,825,000  $ 6,500,000  $ 1,850,000  $ 11,175,000  $ 8,704,848  
   Burress, Plaxico  Giants  $ 2,000,000  $ 4,250,000  $ 1,600,000  $ 7,850,000  $ 5,892,353  
   Smith, Steve L. (Stevonne, WR)  Panthers  $ 1,750,000  $ 6,000,000  $ 1,320  $ 7,751,320  $ 5,874,210  
   Harrison, Marvin  Colts  $ 7,600,000  $ 0  $ 0  $ 7,600,000  $ 12,000,000  
   Porter, Jerry  Jaguars  $ 900,000  $ 3,000,000  $ 3,600,000  $ 7,500,000  $ 5,000,000  
   Colston, Marques  Saints  $ 500,000  $ 5,000,000  $ 1,953,360  $ 7,453,360  $ 3,142,810  
   Wilford, Ernest  Dolphins  $ 1,000,000  $ 6,000,000  $ 5,640  $ 7,005,640  $ 2,505,640  
   Holt, Torry  Rams  $ 5,650,000  $ 0  $ 1,350,000  $ 7,000,000  $ 9,204,714  
   Gage, Justin  Titans  $ 1,000,000  $ 4,500,000  $ 1,103,480  $ 6,603,480  $ 3,128,480  
   Davis, Andre'  Texans  $ 3,100,000  $ 3,400,000  $ 6,720  $ 6,506,720  $ 3,956,720  
   Johnson, Calvin  Lions  $ 1,883,438  $ 0  $ 4,379,487  $ 6,262,925  $ 3,488,238  
   Stokley, Brandon  Broncos  $ 830,000  $ 5,000,000  $ 230,000  $ 6,060,000  $ 2,645,416  
   Chambers, Chris  Chargers  $ 5,100,000  $ 2,250,000  $ 603,840  $ 5,703,840  $ 5,853,840  
   Hester, Devin  Bears  $ 445,000  $ 5,000,000  $ 47,500  $ 5,492,500  $ 1,628,333  
   Ward, Hines  Steelers  $ 4,700,000  $ 5,000,000  $ 753,840  $ 5,453,840  $ 6,703,840  
   Edwards, Braylon  Browns  $ 4,350,000  $ 6,500,000  $ 1,100,000  $ 5,450,000  $ 7,993,750  
   Driver, Donald  Packers  $ 2,900,000  $ 0  $ 2,331,720  $ 5,231,720  $ 5,681,720  
   Stallworth, Donte'  Browns  $ 605,000  $ 4,500,000  $ 50,000  $ 5,155,000  $ 1,405,000  
   Williams, Roy E.  Lions  $ 3,724,500  $ 4,500,000  $ 1,310,000  $ 5,034,500  $ 6,292,834  
   Coles, Laveranues  Jets  $ 5,000,000  $ 0  $ 0  $ 5,000,000  $ 6,000,000  
   Curry, Ronald  Raiders  $ 2,000,000  $ 3,000,000  $ 2,502,520  $ 4,502,520  $ 5,102,520  
   Branch, Deion  Seahawks  $ 3,500,000  $ 7,000,000  $ 664,680  $ 4,164,680  $ 6,764,680  
   Wayne, Reggie  Colts  $ 3,500,000  $ 12,500,000  $ 660,000  $ 4,160,000  $ 6,660,000  
   Bruce, Isaac  49ers  $ 1,975,000  $ 1,000,000  $ 1,025,000  $ 4,000,000  $ 3,500,000  
   Parrish, Roscoe  Bills  $ 520,000  $ 1,100,000  $ 3,451,080  $ 3,971,080  $ 4,256,080  
   Toomer, Amani  Giants  $ 3,100,000  $ 0  $ 700,120  $ 3,800,120  $ 5,200,120  
   Curtis, Kevin  Eagles  $ 1,900,000  $ 2,000,000  $ 1,800,000  $ 3,700,000  $ 3,833,333  
   Johnson, Chad  Bengals  $ 3,000,000  $ 5,000,000  $ 550,000  $ 3,550,000  $ 6,415,370  
   Bennett, Drew  Rams  $ 2,500,000  $ 7,500,000  $ 1,005,160  $ 3,505,160  $ 4,755,160  
   Ginn, Ted  Dolphins  $ 370,000  $ 1,970,000  $ 3,054,680  $ 3,424,680  $ 2,341,086  
   Burleson, Nate  Seahawks  $ 3,250,000  $ 0  $ 3,720  $ 3,253,720  $ 4,053,720  
   Moss, Santana  Redskins  $ 730,000  $ 2,520,000  $ 0  $ 3,250,000  $ 3,783,000  
   Colbert, Keary  Seahawks  $ 605,000  $ 2,500,000  $ 6,480  $ 3,111,480  $ 533,824  
   Hall, Dante'  Rams  $ 1,927,500  $ 0  $ 1,150,000  $ 3,077,500  $ 1,977,500  
   Avery, Donnie  Rams  $ 295,000  $ 1,824,000  $ 951,000  $ 3,070,000  $ 821,000  
   Galloway, Joey  Buccaneers  $ 1,767,000  $ 1,800,000  $ 1,251,440  $ 3,018,440  $ 3,503,440  
   Mason, Derrick  Ravens  $ 3,000,000  $ 7,000,000  $ 1,800  $ 3,001,800  $ 4,401,800  
   Patten, David  Saints  $ 1,000,000  $ 1,500,000  $ 500,000  $ 3,000,000  $ 2,250,000  
   Nelson, Jordy  Packers  $ 295,000  $ 1,700,000  $ 1,005,000  $ 3,000,000  $ 1,725,000  
   Houshmandzadeh, T.J.  Bengals  $ 2,650,000  $ 3,750,000  $ 200,000  $ 2,850,000  $ 3,687,500  
   Simpson, Jerome  Bengals  $ 295,000  $ 1,487,000  $ 900,000  $ 2,682,000  $ 1,091,750  
   Hardy, James  Bills  $ 295,000  $ 1,404,000  $ 887,000  $ 2,586,000  $ 711,000  
   Royal, Eddie  Broncos  $ 295,000  $ 1,533,000  $ 711,830  $ 2,539,830  $ 1,390,080  
   Boldin, Anquan  Cardinals  $ 2,500,000  $ 5,000,000  $ 960  $ 2,500,960  $ 4,500,960  
   Jurevicius, Joe  Browns  $ 1,993,750  $ 0  $ 506,250  $ 2,500,000  $ 3,062,500  
   Reed, Josh  Bills  $ 1,825,000  $ 2,000,000  $ 675,000  $ 2,500,000  $ 2,925,000  
   Williamson, Troy  Jaguars  $ 910,000  $ 0  $ 1,504,800  $ 2,414,800  $ 914,800  
   El, Antwaan  Redskins  $ 605,000  $ 1,715,000  $ 960  $ 2,320,960  $ 2,725,126  
   Battle, Arnaz  49ers  $ 1,340,000  $ 0  $ 950,840  $ 2,290,840  $ 2,070,840  
   Jackson, Dexter (WR)  Buccaneers  $ 295,000  $ 928,000  $ 1,030,000  $ 2,253,000  $ 984,500  
   Wade, Bobby  Vikings  $ 1,950,000  $ 2,000,000  $ 300,000  $ 2,250,000  $ 2,400,000  
   Walker, Delanie  49ers  $ 445,000  $ 1,800,000  $ 4,560  $ 2,249,560  $ 835,060

now I did not count it 3 times but that is 57 WR .. and perhaps the 70 is correct but in todays economy I doubt there was a 20% jump in the numbers of folks this year..

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/f...er=Salary+desc