Thread: Peyton Manning, Broncos coach Mike McCoy a perfect match

Peyton Manning has a reputation as a control freak, so the first thing he told his new Denver Broncos coaches when it was time to go to work might surprise you.

Truth is, it probably wasn't wholly expected in Denver, either.

"The great thing is from Day 1, his first time out here, he said to us, 'Hey, I wanna learn your system,' " Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy said Tuesday, after wrapping up the club's second day of OTAs. "He said that he knew we'd had success, our receivers had success, in that system before we changed some things around last year, and he wanted us to teach it to him."

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Hope it works.

If he means moving the ball between the 20s. But that QB sucked in the redzone. It also was horrible rushing offense too. I dont want that offense. I want a tweaked version of what Manning does. I like his hurry up and in denver elevation it will be deadly.

"I want to learn your system"
outstanding.
what does he have planned for week #2 ?

ideal match. . . manning is good at doing football stuff, and mccoy is great at shutting up and staying out of the way. . .

.. if the offense is a suit, it will be tailored to fit manning, the guy that is gonna "wear it"
anything else would be stoopid.

Mccoy wants to run mcdaniels offense, which imo is really good.

Mccoy just sucks testicles at play calling and predictability and imagination/creating plays and adjusting. Manning on the other hand, calls his own plays at the LOS because he is not a dipsh*t idiot.



So basically we take mcdaniels offense, with manning calling the plays and mccoy just sits quiet on the sidelines not doing much (but getting the credit)--this works fine for me. Whatever we can do to get mccoy from calling the game, we are good.

I can't wait to see Manning running the zone read option!

He's so tall he'll fall forward for two yards!

Perfect match.

Manning can run the offense and call the plays. McCoy can keep quiet, not say a word and make sure everyone stays out of Mannings way

I do not understand the disrespect McCoy gets on here. If he had not TOTALLY changed the offense for Tebow - we may have landed Luck - as there is no way Tebow would have have had success with a NORMAL offense.

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

I do not understand the disrespect McCoy gets on here. If he had not TOTALLY changed the offense for Tebow - we may have landed Luck - as there is no way Tebow would have have had success with a NORMAL offense.

McCoy is likely quite underrated at this moment.

After a couple seasons with Manning, he'll probably be overrated.

Such is life.

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

I do not understand the disrespect McCoy gets on here. If he had not TOTALLY changed the offense for Tebow - we may have landed Luck - as there is no way Tebow would have have had success with a NORMAL offense.

All OC have to adjust the offense to match the QBs skill sets. It is their job. But no able to call plays or adjust plays or anything where he fails. Fox had a lot to do with the Tebow led offense. Fox wanted a run first offense not the McDaniel offense that McCoy wants to run. Fox now has the best QB and knows that passing is going to be the way to go. he is not and idiot to install a run first offense with Manning as QB. I think McCoy has done shit. McDaniels had his offense and McCoy wants to stick with that. Tebow took over and they knew they had to adjust it. So they went run heavy. You would think that McCoy could have done a better offense then a option read offense, but heck he just went with what Tebow did in college. Not a good OC in my opinion.

A run heavy offense is also a great offense to break in a young QB to the speed of the game and get them use to it.

McCoy is at his best with concepts and film. He's good at finding a few ways of exploiting each week's defensive weaknesses to the advantage of his personnel. His weakness appears to be staying in sync with the flow of the game and recognition of defensive adjustments from snap to snap--Manning's strength.

Manning should be a great complement for McCoy. On the other hand, a new offense gives Manning some fresh ideas and keeps him challenged. It's not like the offense is something new under the sun, it's just repackaged versions of components Manning has previously mastered. I like it.

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

I do not understand the disrespect McCoy gets on here. If he had not TOTALLY changed the offense for Tebow - we may have landed Luck - as there is no way Tebow would have have had success with a NORMAL offense.

Disagree to the highest degree....


First- it is not only a fallacy to say Tebow could not succeed with a normal offense but a myth. We have proof that he could. He (TT) played in that "Normal" offense for two preseasons, 3 games at the end of one season and a game or two last season. And you know what. He scored a fair amount of points. Won one game (texans) came within one play of winning another (chargers) and had a 300+ passing game. It has been PROVEN he can play in a normal offense....The problem was for him, was that he was really really raw, and against good teams, he was just not ready. In fact, he was not really ready for any team, but as you can see, he did remarkably well.

Second- Mccoy- as I have stated numerous times in my mccoy thread was the worst play caller in the history of OCs. And this has nothing to do with tebow. because, as we have Seen with our own eyes as proof, tebow can throw the ball down field and further more CAN THROW A SCREEN PASS! I still have challenged any and all mccoy backers to give me 5 screen plays to the RB, to the WR and 5 crossing patterns over the middle in the short zone.

Reason why no one can come up with them is because Mccoy sucks and never called them. NEVER. Now that would be fine under most circumstances, however, there are a few rules to play calling. I wont go into all of them but here is a nice easy one.
WHEN THE DEFENSE IS SELLING OUT AGAINST THE RUN, AND BLITZING AND PLAYING THE RUN ON THE WAY TO THE QB, YOU BEAT THE BLITZ WITH A SCREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just ask Drew Brees and Darren Sproles about this. Teams that tried to blitz brees got destroyed by darren sproles with screens. Mccoy NEVER did this, he never called screens and thus, teams Tee'd off on tebow and ate him alive. Sure, there were times when tebow held the ball for 38 seconds running around like an idiot, (cuz this is the favorite retort arguement) but that has nothing to do with beating the blitz. Secondly, the middle of the field is WIDE OPEN. I have all the games on record, go back and look if you do too. You will see the only defender within a 10x10 box in the middle of the field is the Mike Linebacker playing spy on tebow. If Mccoy was worth have his praises, he would call a pass to ANY player on our offense to that area. ALL of our offensive players have enough speed to beat a Mike 1 on 1.........But what does mccoy do. Nothing!

Mccoy runs his same 4 plays. here they are. Run option left, run option right, 3rd and long 2 man go routes down the sidelines with 8 guys blitzing.

This is why Mccoy sucks, but then there is more.



During the OT playoff steelers game we all remember the DT catch and run for the Win. I remember the first time we ran that play in the first quarter (and the subsequent 5 times after that). Not only did I point out that if we would make that a Play Action pass, it would be wide open, but I think it would go for a score. I said it several times in the gameday thread and you can see my posts and time stamps if you do not believe me. They are still there. Mccoy, the Bloody Genius he is, said " We drew up that play (the OT winner) at halftime"...........I was screaming for that play in the first freaking quarter. Now, unless I am some unbelievable Offensive Coordinator who is just wasting his skills here on a computer, then what do we think about me Coming up with that play in the first when it took Mccoy nearly half a game to recognize that it would work? Either Im the greatist and so is mccoy, or I suck and Mccoy is not worth half the praise he has wrongly been credited with.



I can go on and on about predictability of play calling and so on and so forth, but carol, trust me, Mccoy really sucks.

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

I do not understand the disrespect McCoy gets on here. If he had not TOTALLY changed the offense for Tebow - we may have landed Luck - as there is no way Tebow would have have had success with a NORMAL offense.

Im curious to see what he does with a good QB. Orton and Tebow arent the kinda guys that help you're career if your a coach.