Last edited by Denver Native (Carol); 05-30-2009 at 08:32 PM.
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Rest in Peace - Demaryius (88) - Darrent (27) - Damien (29) - Kenny (11)#7 - JOHN - #44 - FLOYD - #80 - ROD
THIS ONES FOR JOHNWOULD YOU RATHER WIN UGLY, OR LOSE PRETTY?
"Idiot" is a subjective term. When he managed the three franchises before the Yankees, in 5 of his 11 full seasons he had a winning record, including one divisional title (Atlanta, 1982) and two second-place finishes (Atlanta, 1983 and St. Louis, 1991). If that's an idiot, at least 60% of major league managers wish they were that stupid.
So, if your point was that Joe Torre was a "terrible manager", yeah, you got it wrong. If your point was that managers don't make more than a few games' difference in W-L records, I would probably agree.
And it should be noted that while people believe most players get more savvy as they age, somehow people never expect managers to do so. Perhaps Torre's failures with the Mets made him better when he was with the Braves and his failures with the Braves made him better when he was with the Yankees. And he's obviously done something right turning around the Dodgers. So maybe he isn't as stupid now as he was when he was managing the Mets back in the 1970s.
I miss the old Mile High Stadium.
I guess we've got a Torre fan here..."idiot" was being a little sarcastic and hyperbolic, for dramatic effect.
Sorry it got you so hot and bothered.
The POINT, as I reiterated, which you failed to comment on, is that managers have very little affect on a team in baseball.
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Last edited by frauschieze; 05-31-2009 at 09:45 PM. Reason: personal attack
I miss the old Mile High Stadium.
Last edited by frauschieze; 05-31-2009 at 09:46 PM. Reason: fallout
Well, let's see.
We discussed Babe Ruth vs. black pitchers and you cite female pitchers from the 1950s after Ruth was dead.
Then we discussed Joe Torre who you claim is an "idiot" who managed in Philadelphia.
I don't see why I should embarrass you any further by trying another baseball question. I think your baseball credentials are already established.
I miss the old Mile High Stadium.
Your reading comprehension sucks, as does your knowledge of baseball, apparently.
Two things that you apparently missed. Your statement was that good pitching didn't exist in the Negro Leagues. You were wrong, and that's OK. You point to one female pitcher to try and prove that I didn't know what i was talking about, while I cited plenty of black pitchers that would have overlapped with Babe Ruth. Argument fail.
I said "he was considered an idiot," and since I've heard some of the people I believe are the best historical baseball minds say that, then I'm going to take their word over yours. Plus, it wasn't even the point of the argument, which, AGAIN, you failed to catch. I'm sorry I forgot that it was the Mets and not the Phillies, but that was NEVER the point of the post. Good lord.
Shit, I even told you the statment was hyperbole and you continue to be an ******* about it.
Last edited by MOtorboat; 06-04-2009 at 07:35 PM.
MY reading comprehension sucks?
Good luck with those "English as a second language" courses. Hope they help.
I miss the old Mile High Stadium.
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