Thread: Do you think Shanahan is a HOFer?

Yes, I am just trying to explain why so many deserving Broncos are not already in the Hasll. It is also just my opinion that the same reason Atwater won't get in will hurt Mike's chances. That is all I'm saying.

Apparently I took the wrong tack on trying to explain the anti-Denver thing. The East coast media does still regard Denver as a fly over cow town. One Bronco transcended that perception-Elway. Zim became famous as a Vike.

Originally Posted by MissouriBronc

I'm not suggesting I am objective...I'm just showing you that these people aren't drones who just see a Bronco and don't vote for them.

You've already had your cake and ate it too on this argument. You first dissect Shanahan's tenure as GM as saying why he won't get in, and then you claim that most of the HOF voters don't pay attention to Denver...

Which is it?

I have always maintained that is is both..

For that matter that likelihood of any only bronco getting into the HOF has a slim chance of it happening..

In his case it is a double whammy.. Bronco HC and lousy last few years while leaving the defense devastated..

By the way, i am a fan of the quick, athletic O-line and the ZBS. The thing is, you must some exceptional talent at the skill positions to get 6 in the red zone. It becomes tough to just blow your way up the gut for a score. TD could do it, but he was, well, TD.

A player like Griffith that could catch the Dee unaware along with other highpowered receiving options make that scheme work on the goal line. A real problem the last several years was red zone production.

Originally Posted by horsepig

I disagree MB. The national media AND the fan base perceive the Broncos that way. Those nightmare SB losses by a gazillion points stick in the collective memory. That syndrome was why we were such huge dogs to the Packers. Everybody but Denver fans were saying, "Oh, no! Not another extra shitty SB where the crappy little AFC Donkey's are going to their asses handed to'em by the big tough Pack!."

It did not matter what a stellar season the team had. Did not matter at all to the rest of the country.

They saw them choke in the playoffs at home to an expansion team the year before.. which did not help the odds..

they were going up against farve looking for his back to back.. the NFC had not lost to an AFC in God only knows how many years..

Good point, as usual, Jr., but the media perception at that time was that the NFC had the beef in the trenches compared to the AFC teams. Denver was the standard bearer for that perception.

By the way, thank God Mike signed Alfred Williams and Neil Smith. They didn't even get there without those two.

My bottom line opinion is Mike will receive careful consideration, but won't make it without addind something more to his resume.

Originally Posted by horsepig

My bottom line opinion is Mike will receive careful consideration, but won't make it without addind something more to his resume.

Like a Cowboy HC job!!

Only the Denver fans remember the loss in '96 as being such a HUGE deal.

The fact that Denver beat the GB Packers after the AFC lost 13 straight, only strengthens Shanahan's accomplishments.

Considering the NFC dominated the AFC for 13 years, I don't think our small/athletic OL is remembered by anyone.... and CERTAINLY does not 'represent' the AFC (which was suggested above). These are things that are not something that is remembered over time.

These are things that the Denver fan-base will whine about, but no one outside Denver knows or remembers. What they DO know, is that Denver continued to put up 1000 yrd rushers year after year. Fans around the country couldn't tell you a single OL's name, but they do know the stats of the RBs that continue to run in the orange-n-blue.

Fans don't vote on the HoF. I don't know if Shanahan will make it. Its VERY VERY easy to bet against him considering getting INTO the HoF is hard enough as it is. PLayers and coaches of the past got in a LOT easier than they do today. I Do know.. that Shanahan's numbers are EASILY comparible and beat coaches IN the HoF. Some of you want to point out his last few years in Denver as the example of why he shouldn't.... as if every HoF coach never had a bad season.

Noll finished his career in Pittsburgh with a 7-9 record. Landry finished his career with a 7-9, 7-8, 3-13 record. They didn't tarnish his LONG career.

Shanahan isn't through, thats for sure. If Parcells is a HoF coach, there is no way you can tell me Shanahan isn't.

and Yes... Shannon Sharpe wasn't voted in on the first ballot because he was a TE. As I posted earlier, we've seen where voters for the baseball HoF vote AGAINST a player simply because they know that no player has ever gotten a unanimous vote...thus they think NO one should get a unanimous vote.

There has never been a TE that has been voted in the first try. If you don't think that has something to do with it, just look at the history of positions and how they seem to repeat as to when they are voted in. How many corners have been voted into the HoF??? Very very few, and they are all from the distant past.

Why is it, there has only been ONE kicker voted in? He was great, but there has been a LOT of great kickers over time that have put up just as good of numbers. Because voters see that the kicker only touches the ball ____% of the time. They now will have a hard time voting the kickers of TODAY in (Elam will not make the HoF) because there have been so many great kickers in the past that haven't been inducted.

Shannon Sharpe wasn't voted in on the first try the same reason people could say the same t hing about Irvin, Monk, and Carter.

I also find it interesting, that people keep pointing out that SHanahan won't get another job because no owner is going to give him the same control as he had here in Denver.

YEt.... Cowher has continued to not accept job offers until he gets that control, and everyone knows he is just picking his team as well. Cowher has never had that control, yet its just expected that it will be given to him when he's ready to apply for a job.

1) I don't think Shanahan MUST have the same situation in order to coach. I think a lot of fans around here would like to believe that, but he didn't have it in Oakland when he took that HC job.

2) If Cowher can wait and pick and get what he's looking for, so will Shanahan be able to.

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

I also find it interesting, that people keep pointing out that SHanahan won't get another job because no owner is going to give him the same control as he had here in Denver.


1) I don't think Shanahan MUST have the same situation in order to coach. I think a lot of fans around here would like to believe that, but he didn't have it in Oakland when he took that HC job.

It is true that Shanahan did not have control with the Raiders. Mike fired Art Shell and other coaches after Mike's first season as head coach but the Crypt Keeper hired them back. IMO Shanahan will not let himself enter a position like that again.

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

and Yes... Shannon Sharpe wasn't voted in on the first ballot because he was a TE. As I posted earlier, we've seen where voters for the baseball HoF vote AGAINST a player simply because they know that no player has ever gotten a unanimous vote...thus they think NO one should get a unanimous vote.

There has never been a TE that has been voted in the first try. If you don't think that has something to do with it, just look at the history of positions and how they seem to repeat as to when they are voted in. How many corners have been voted into the HoF??? Very very few, and they are all from the distant past.

Why is it, there has only been ONE kicker voted in? He was great, but there has been a LOT of great kickers over time that have put up just as good of numbers. Because voters see that the kicker only touches the ball ____% of the time. They now will have a hard time voting the kickers of TODAY in (Elam will not make the HoF) because there have been so many great kickers in the past that haven't been inducted.

Shannon Sharpe wasn't voted in on the first try the same reason people could say the same t hing about Irvin, Monk, and Carter.

OH FOR CRYING OUT loud! Sharp redefined the position. No. 1 in every category. Who has ebver done more, statistically? 3 SB rings. Easy in IMHO.

Should be slam dunk imo.