John Elway
John Elway
(the previous comment was not directed at any particular individual and was not intended to slander,disrespect or offend any reader of said statement)
Then Bonds is even worse, because he took roids when he already had the natural talent. So, besides being a greedy, moody dickwad who doesn't appreciate his fans, he is one of the dumbest athletes to ever walk the planet. And, regardless of his talent, by default, he is an *
My uncle, who passed away last year at age 97, used to tell great stories about Satchel Paige. I guess it was not uncommon way back then for pitchers to pitch everyday.
http://www.satchelpaige.com/bio2.html
It is estimated that Leroy "Satchel" Paige was born on July 7, 1906. The mere idea that his birthday is an estimate provides perfect evidence to the mystery that was Satchel Paige. In 1965, 60 years after Paige's supposed birthday, he took the mound for the last time, throwing three shutout innings for the Kansas City Athletics.
Joe DiMaggio called Satchel Paige "the best and fastest pitcher I've ever faced". His pitching was amazing and his showboating was legendary. His career highlights span five decades. Pronounced the greatest pitcher in the history of the Negro Leagues, Paige compiled such feats as 64 consecutive scoreless innings, a stretch of 21 straight wins, and a 31-4 record in 1933. For 22 years, Paige mauled the competition in front of sellout crowds. Sure, he liked the attention, but to him, there was only one goal. That goal would be to pitch in the Major Leagues.
In 1948, Paige's dream came true. The Cleveland Indians were in need of extra pitching for the pennant race. Legendary Bill Veeck tested Paige's accuracy before offering him a big league contract. As the story is told, Veeck placed a cigarette on the ground to be used as a home plate. Paige took aim at his virtually nonexistent target. He fired five fastballs, all but one sailing directly over the cigarette. Veeck was indeed pleased, and Paige helped the Indians win the pennant.
In addition to Cleveland, Paige played for St. Louis and Kansas City. When his Major League career was completed, he compiled a modest 28-31 record with a 3.29 ERA. He also served as coach for the Atlanta Braves in 1968. What made Paige so memorable was his longevity in the game. The main reason his age was so difficult to track was his seemingly endless success. He rarely answered questions about his age, and when he did, he replied with something like: "Age is a question of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter."
In 1971, Leroy "Satchel" Paige was given the ultimate honor, he was elected to join the very best in baseball history in the Hall of Fame.
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Greatest baseball player of all time? Hank Aaron.
There is also Babe Ruth - "The Bambino".
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Rest in Peace - Demaryius (88) - Darrent (27) - Damien (29) - Kenny (11)#7 - JOHN - #44 - FLOYD - #80 - ROD
THIS ONES FOR JOHNWOULD YOU RATHER WIN UGLY, OR LOSE PRETTY?
Here's a few names for you to do some research on...
William Bell
Ray Brown, HOF
William Byrd
Francisco Coimbre
Andrew Cooper, HOF
Leon Day, HOF
Martin Dihigo, HOF
John Donaldson
Wilmer Fields
Bill Foster, HOF
Rube Foster, HOF
Bud Fowler
Bill Gatewood
Mamie Johnson
Jose Mendez, HOF
Don Newcombe
Ted Radcliffe
Dick Redding
Bullet Rogan, HOF
Hilton Smith, HOF
George Stovey
Joe Williams, HOF
You obviously didn't do any research yourself
Clearly, you googled something about Negro League pitchers and tried to pass yourself off as someone who knew some shit when you clearly don't. Most of these pitchers are not relevant to a discussion of Babe Ruth because they were either before or after his prime - some even after his DEATH. Given the spotty and inaccurate records or the Negro Leagues, simple things like W-L records and ERA are not very good indicators either.
So, you brought up a small number of decent examples and a large number of bad guesses.
Color me unimpressed.
I miss the old Mile High Stadium.
Actually, the simple assumption was made that quality pitchers weren't in the Negro Leagues, which is an absurd assumption. Does it make Ruth's accomplishment's any less, no...but to say that good pitching didn't exist in the Negro Leagues is just false.
I was fully aware when I listed those players that many did not play during the era of Babe Ruth, but that was not the assumption made in the first place.
You then referenced the Hall of Fame and how very few black pitchers are recognized, when nearly 1/3 of the Negro League Players in the Hall of Fame were pitchers. Quality pitching existed in those leagues, like it or not.
Likewise...a number of pitchers considered quality pitchers will not be remembered in 30 years, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
And because records, and documentation rarely exist when it comes to the Negro Leagues, making the assumption that pitching sucked in the Negro Leagues is a vague assumption, at best.
I would have to choose someone from a newer era of Baseball...Back in the day they didn't have pitchers with consistent multiple types of pitches and high velocity..Baseball back then was very simple and hardnosed.. Dimaggio would have never hit 56 games in a row against Jake peavy, Roy Oswald, Johan santana, Nolan Ryan, Fernando valensuela, Schilling, Johnson and those types of modern day pitchers...Im sorry but anyone considered the greatest, would have to be in the modern era.
Here's some fat to chew on...Vlad G, Adam Dunn, and Jim Thome never needed Roids to blast HR's...
Ichiro, Texiera, Brian Giles also get some consideration from me.
Well, Aaron hit his home runs during the "dead ball era," so I would probably consider him the best to ever play.
Guerrero, who is Dominican as is a number of steroid abusers, has 393 home runs. While impressive, it's not even over 400. His .322 career average is impressive, especially for a guy who just swings at everything.
The best player I've ever seen is Bonds. I don't like the guy. I don't like that he used steroids. I don't WANT to defend him, but he is the best ball player (on the field) that I have watched.
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