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    Default Immediate impressions of the draft

    Immediate impressions really don't mean shit, but what the hell else are we gonna talk about today? Here's how I feel after watching 3 days of the draft. Keep in mind guys like Lancane and CoachChaz are far more serious about this than I am - these are just my feelings on the matter. Grades are based on what I felt we accomplished with the pick and how I think they rate compared to the players available around them at the time.

    2) Wolfe: We got the DT we wanted, with several choices available, and I have no problem with him. I liked him better than Still, not as much as Worthy, but he's a viable second rounder. If we feel like he wouldn't have been there later (or that we HAD TO TAKE OSWEILER) then we needed him at this pick. Great motor, very strong, collapses a pocket, and will make the job of a pass-blocking RB very painful when Doom is coming from one side, Von from the other, and Wolfe right up the middle seam.

    Motor is one of my key indicators on a DT and Wolfe has it. I look at him like a Kyle Vanden Bosch mentality - not the fastest guy but he will outwork you to the ball, and has nasty intensity. For our first real DT prospect in what feels like 40 years in the desert, I'll take him. I still wanted another run-stuffer, because that's not what Wolfe is best at, but if we figure we can score enough to take running out of the game early then I hope we can make do with Ty Warren for a season, I guess.

    Grade: B

    2) Osweiler: I have nothing nice to say about Osweiler. I hope that 4 years from now he's ready to take the reins from Manning, but 2nd round picks are only allowed to sign 4 year contracts now, so we'll owe him a fortune after a few snaps if we believe in him. I'm thinking of Matt Cassel and getting annoyed again. This is why I didn't want to draft a QBOTF this year. Anyway... I hope he's the right guy and not a nepotism pick, and that I'll be thrilled with this pick sometime in 2015. He won't do anything useful for us before then, most likely, so it's a no-value pick til then.

    Grade: Incomplete. It's an F if looking at the current value of a raw backup to a QB with a serious injury concern - he shouldn't be our #2 guy, so we spent a 2nd round pick on a #3 roster position, which is horrible. Of course, it's an A if he can Aaron-Rodgers it later. Completely faith-based value, so to me it feels like we traded our 2nd rounder this year for some future pick.

    3) Hillman: Felt like a panic pick to me, exactly like a McDaniels draft pick. LaMichael James came off the board faster than we wanted, just as may have happened with the Muscle Hamster, and in order not to get caught without addressing that position of "receiving RB/ 20 touch game-breaker" we jumped up and reached on Hillman. He's a smooth runner and his vision's good. I didn't like what I saw of him against faster defenses, I didn't think he had the extra gear that guys in his position need to display, I think he needs to work on catching passes and taking care of the ball...

    He needs work. I don't like moving up for RBs who aren't 3-down guys and need work on the very skills we drafted them for. I hope to be pleasantly surprised by Knowshon's replacement, and at least he's not a first-rounder like No-Show was, but the pick doesn't thrill me. Now having said that, I expect him to turn into Marshall Faulk and give me the finger for a decade. I'll happily accept that.

    Grade: C-. I'd have given a C+ for the player, but the trade up was an unnecessary expense IMO, and after all that effort to acquire very little by trading down twice, we spent most of it to get Hillman.

    4) Bolden: In the fourth, Bolden is great. He's a smooth accelerator (I laughed when I heard that on a preview, but it's exactly how I'd described him to someone else, dude just starts rolling upfield at increasing speed), love his hips, and IF his knee is right, I'm glad to have him. Finally, a pick I can really appreciate. He could start for us in a year or so if circumstances go his way. Lots of upside.

    Grade: B+]

    4) Blake: Hardworking backup G/C who can hopefully push Beadles for a starting spot. He's big enough to play either position, and he's a good pick for the slot. We desperately needed OL depth - we had very little last year. A non-sexy but useful pick, and the draft is about addressing needs, not getting the sexiest guys around.

    Grade: B-

    5) Jackson: The Broncos really want pash-rushing D-linemen. I'm okay with that. Jackson's a rotational guy who could play inside on 3rd and long, outside to rush the passer earlier. Versatile. Yes, that can also be code for "not exceptional anywhere" but it's the 5th round. He's not the run-stopper we need, but I guess Joe Mays can stop all inside runners, right? He's raw, but could be a much better player in 2 years time, and most DL are 2-3 year projects in my book. Tons of upside.

    Grade: B

    6) Trevathan: I actually like him quite a bit, but I'm partial to UK linebackers, my boy Woodyard chief among em. Hard worker, good tackler, reads plays well and HAS to because he's not real fleet-of-foot or explosive, and he's certainly not big. Nice backup / ST guy, and we can always use LBs.

    Grade: B-


    Draft rating: B- / C+. Not especially feeling it. Glad to had a DT in the fold, and I like Bolden, but it feels to me like this:

    - Pass-rushing DT
    - backup outside CB with with #2 potential
    - backup OG/C
    - project DT/DE with good upside
    - situational pass-catching RB, hopeful future starter
    - Special teamer / backup LB
    - traded 2nd round pick for hopeful 2015 starting QB (Osweiler)

    Looking around at other (non-Raiders) teams, do you really feel like we smoked this draft? Would you take our draft over Cincy's, or Philly's, or Pittsburgh's, or...

    Osweiler's dragging the grade down for me, since he's not Aaron Rodgers IMO and we could have had ANY of these players at that slot: DE Curry, OT Osmele, RB James or WR Randle, all of whom would help us far more in the Peyton Manning era than Osweiler. If we'd drafted a QB later I wouldn't be bothered as much, but 2nd rounders should be able to start now, and we are not a stacked team like GB was when they took Rodgers. It hurts the grade I give em - it won't some other people's.

    We added players to both lines, which is good. I've been begging for more trench warriors. We added a much-needed corner and an attempt at a pass-catching runner. We did not add WR help, so those guys had better be ready to go. Our LBs are our LBs, with an extra backup thrown in. No workhorse RB.

    Not a sexy draft, but a draft for depth. Okay. But with some of the great talents in this draft I would have liked to feel like we came away with at least one of em. Drafting a bunch of pro players will be a good outcome for this draft.

    On a team neeeding impact guys, I guess I need to hope that Wolfe and Bolden bring the wood. And I need for Xanders and his staff's evaluation of some of these other guys to be more correct than my amateur first impressions. Hillman by himself could swing this draft to being very good if he can play a lot and make an impact, and Osweiler in a few years could make it great when he hops off the bench and leads us to the Super Bowl, Brady-style.

    But for now, it's a bit of a yawner. I'm not throwing anything. It doesn't piss me off. It doesn't really move me in any significant way. Bring on training camp.

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    I'm really glad they didn't draft a TE, K, or P.
    Cause those were the only positions that I thought that the Broncos were set.
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    I'm not really happy with the draft

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    No WR, OT, ILB, S, TE, FB. Needs that were adressed were backup QB, interior OL, RB, DE, DT, CB, OLB. As far as filling needs, we did well.

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    Althought it was boring, it seemed like they had a plan and stuck to it. Its better than the willy nilly shit McD did and the desperation one player away reach shit that Shanahan pulled.
    Thanks MO for the wicked Sig.

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    Whether or not they are right, I think what this draft shows is that the Broncos think their current crop of starters are enough to win this year, and this draft was about depth and situational play (Hillman). Blake could very well compete for a starting job this year or next, and Wolfe "could" see a lot of time in the DT rotation, and Bolden "could" win the nickel or dime job.

    So, overall, I see this draft about creating roster depth and solidifiying roster stability for the future. There could be some short term impact from 2-3 of the guys, but I think the message here is that Elway and company see the Broncos as competitive now with their existing roster. Time (about 7 months) will tell if that is the case.

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    Just to early to tell anything. I will let you know in 3+ years if I am happy with the moves they made this particular draft. I am not worried about splashy draft picks as I would rather have consummate pros over the "flash in the pan" type. I hope that is what these players all turn out to be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeingRed View Post
    I'm not really happy with the draft
    Well if someone who thinks we should trade up to draft Burfict thinks we had a bad draft, then I'm pretty confident we had a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest View Post
    Well if someone who thinks we should trade up to draft Burfict thinks we had a bad draft, then I'm pretty confident we had a good one.
    Now that's funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SeeingRed View Post
    I'm not really happy with the draft
    Well if someone who thinks we should trade up to draft Burfict thinks we had a bad draft, then I'm pretty confident we had a good one.
    I didn't ever say we should trade up to get him. Dipshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeingRed View Post
    I didn't ever say we should trade up to get him. Dipshit.
    Don't get angry Red, been a long weekend and there are a lot of fans that are frustrated with the overall draft...better to laugh then to be pissed about any of it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancane View Post
    Don't get angry Red, been a long weekend and there are a lot of fans that are frustrated with the overall draft...better to laugh then to be pissed about any of it!

    I'm not mad...just can't stand when people misread shit and then start trolling posts like this punkass is doing. What I sad was I think Burfict will be a star one day but I didn't think Denver was willing to take a gamble on a player with character issues like his, but apparently BTB's fingers work better on the keyboard than his eyes do reading what's on his screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeingRed View Post
    I'm not mad...just can't stand when people misread shit and then start trolling posts like this punkass is doing. What I sad was I think Burfict will be a star one day but I didn't think Denver was willing to take a gamble on a player with character issues like his, but apparently BTB's fingers work better on the keyboard than his eyes do reading what's on his screen.
    Actually, I've been wondering if Denver having two Sun Devils in the draft might not sign Burfict as UFA if he does go undrafted, they obviously saw him at his pro-day, they've watched a ton of film that would have shown what he is capable of, as a UFA he'd be a low risk - high reward type addition.

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    Pretty much

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    Not a sexy draft, that's for sure. I think if we'd traded down and got Worthy/Stills/Reyes then traded up to nab James/Pead there would be a lot more excitement around this draft.

    My grades :

    Wolfe: A- We took a DT and we have a HC + DC who have always had good DTs. There's also reports of other teams/experts that had Wolfe as the fourth best DT. But more than anything, we took a DT. Only an A- because all we managed to get was a 4th for going out of the 1st (there was a lot of talent available deep into the draft though, so a 4th seemed to have more value this year than most).

    Osweiler: C- I'm a gentle marker. I agree with G, too early to get our QBotF this early in the draft. Developmental QB prospect was certainly a franchise need, but I would have been fine with adding a UDFA to compete with Weber and Haine this year and drafting one next year. We don't know what Elway knows though, and maybe Manning has told him he's only playing 2-3 more years. Then this timeline makes more sense. If he's "the one" for Elway I can't hate the pick, but it doesn't do much for THIS Superbowl window. Hopefully we all look back and bless JE for having the long term interests of the franchise at heart.

    Hillman: B+ We need a playmaker in the backfield, a true homerun threat. If Hillman is that guy, it's a good pick. I get that people aren't happy with giving up an extra pick to get him, but I disagree. I'm in the drafting strategy camp that believes you be aggressive for guys at the top of your board. I had RB as one of our biggest needs, arguably our biggest, coming into the draft (but thought we'd be going after more of a McGahee type than a Moreno type). It looks like they wanted one of the scat back types in this draft, and when Pead went at 50 and James at 61 they were aggressive and got the guy they wanted. Biggest ??? with him is will he be durable enough at 200lbs to handle significant touches over the season.

    Problem really is that they went QB with pick 2...if they don't they have their choice of James or Hillman at 57 (still might have gone Hillman, I have no idea) and keep #120. Can't compound the first mistake by missing out on a player you need though, because we really did need a RB out of this draft.

    Bolden: A- Most reviews say his talent is two rounds higher, and 4th round is a good place to start taking risks on talent. Needed to get some young upside on the roster at CB. Only issue, I agree with the poster that questioned whether you want a guy who has already had two knee injuries returning kick offs.

    Blake: A- Needed to add some depth (at minimal) to the interior OL. Good size (for a C), versatile, fills a need at a spot in the draft you don't need instant starters.

    Jackson: B+ No real complaint with this pick, good size and athletic. Going from today, seems pretty safe assumption that we're going to be playing a penetrating defense with quick DTs, so if Jackson fits what they're doing it's a good pick this late in the draft. We got one DL early, one DL later, so I'm pleased as punch although I thought we would have tried to replace Bunkley's stoutness vs the run here.

    Travathan: B At the very least, should be a contributor on special teams. If you get that out of the 6th round, it's a solid pick. Might end up costing Woodyard a roster spot in a year or two...unless one of them emerge as starting caliber.

    Overall: B+ For me, the three biggest needs coming into this draft were DT, RB, and CB and all three were addressed. Also three picks used in the trenches, which gets brownie points from me--especially when 2 are DL. Imo did a good job moving around to get some additional value and still get the guys they wanted. Won't be able to tell for a few years whether they had the right guy at the top of their board or not, but at least all the picks make sense.

    Biggest issue, taking a QB in RD2, but already said my piece on that. Other than that, only question how many three-down players we took. But like they say, it's not how many snaps a game you play, it's what you do with them that matters.
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