Thread: Broncos 2012 Draft Day Thread: 04/26/12 - 04/28/12

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

My issue with the Jackson hype is his pass rushing technique and production. Then people say "he played at Tennessee with no help". Ok...how much help did Wolfe have at Cincinnati? But I guess that doesnt count since it wasnt the SEC.

Potential? Yes overrated? HELL yes

1-Another Cincy DT was drafted...so there goes that point.

2-Yer right, the conference does matter. Being alone in the SEC is a bit different than not being alone in the Big East.

Travathean...he's the dude on the Kentucky defense that you are actually worried about. Cats only had 2 of them this year, he was one of em. Dude is all over the place and if ya watch a Kentucky game, you constantly hear his name. COuld be because he's a friggin ballhawk who can't be stopped. Could be because nobody else in Lexington is willing/able to make a play. Either way, when I was texted that we grabbed him, I was very intrigued.

I like a lot of the positions we took but have deep problems with this draft. If we wanted a RB, why not stay put and take Martin then DT in the second?

The QB pick in the second ruins the draft for me. There were a lot of players that could have helped us NOW and Denver passed them over.

I just don't know. Hopefully the team gets some depth out of it but I don't see a "year two" of a 3 year plan here. No impact players?

Originally Posted by tomjonesrocks

I like a lot of the positions we took but have deep problems with this draft. If we wanted a RB, why not stay put and take Martin then DT in the second?

The QB pick in the second ruins the draft for me. There were a lot of players that could have helped us NOW and Denver passed them over.

I just don't know. Hopefully the team gets some depth out of it but I don't see a "year two" of a 3 year plan here. No impact players?

While I'm not pleased w/ the Osweiler pick either...he is still better than our QB backups. Hopefully we don't have to know the answer...but maybe he COULD help us win now.

Originally Posted by Ziggy

SA and I have both been mocking this guy for months. He's big, he's versatile, has a big motor, and he can move inside on passing downs. This is the heir apparant to Ayers, with more pass rush ability.

how do you figure he has more pass rush? and honestly I don't see him as nearly as strong at the POA

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

how do you figure he has more pass rush? and honestly I don't see him as nearly as strong at the POA

Because he does. Ayers was NEVER a pass rusher. I never understood why folks thought he was. He was a stout, soild DE who took time to develop. He had a total of 9 sacks his entire college career at DE. And he had folks around him. Jackson lined up at DT for the team and still got over 13 sacks...w/ constat double teams. Noone is saying he is Peppers, but he's already a pass rush improvement over Ayers. This is NOT a knock on Ayers. I don;t see this as a replacement. But Ayers game is to play the run and stay strong on his side. Not to chase down the QB.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Because he does. Ayers was NEVER a pass rusher. I never understood why folks thought he was. He was a stout, soild DE who took time to develop. He had a total of 9 sacks his entire college career at DE. And he had folks around him. Jackson lined up at DT for the team and still got over 13 sacks...w/ constat double teams. Noone is saying he is Peppers, but he's already a pass rush improvement over Ayers. This is NOT a knock on Ayers. I don;t see this as a replacement. But Ayers game is to play the run and stay strong on his side. Not to chase down the QB.

it isn't a replacement. . . as much under front as we like to play, having that strong side end that can consistently set the edge is really valuable. . . all the good 4-3 teams are going to heavier and heavier rotations on the DL-- people want to bring fresh rushers in waves. . . jackson is a depth guy and nickel and dime contributor. . . folks need to be a little patient-- last year was ayers' first pro season at end-- with a very abbreviated off-season, and a new playbook-- and he still had his best year as a pro. . . guy has only been in the league three years, and he missed a big chunk of his second season. . . DLs take time to develop, and mayock specifically said ayers wouldn't reach his potential until at least his third year. . . i expect a good year out of him. . .

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

how do you figure he has more pass rush? and honestly I don't see him as nearly as strong at the POA

come on, steve, never question smiley on his vols. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

it isn't a replacement. . . as much under front as we like to play, having that strong side end that can consistently set the edge is really valuable. . . all the good 4-3 teams are going to heavier and heavier rotations on the DL-- people want to bring fresh rushers in waves. . . jackson is a depth guy and nickel and dime contributor. . . folks need to be a little patient-- last year was ayers' first pro season at end-- with a very abbreviated off-season, and a new playbook-- and he still had his best year as a pro. . . guy has only been in the league three years, and he missed a big chunk of his second season. . . DLs take time to develop, and mayock specifically said ayers wouldn't reach his potential until at least his third year. . . i expect a good year out of him. . .

Ayers did have a solid season in fact it was better than I thought it would be. I don't think he will ever be the kind defensive end that will give us nine or more sacks a year but I think he's capable of giving us somewhere between 6 to 8 consistently that would give pretty formitable trio.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Ayers did have a solid season in fact it was better than I thought it would be. I don't think he will ever be the kind defensive end that will give us nine or more sacks a year but I think he's capable of giving us somewhere between 6 to 8 consistently that would give pretty formitable trio.

I don't know - last year was definitely Ayers' best as a pro and he was still very average. He's got a lot of improving to do to live up to his draft status. I really hope I've been wrong about him and he becomes one of the best at his position, but he's going to have to improve by leaps and bounds.