Thread: Does the addition of Garland change how we draft

Heres what is being said about our newest DT:
"Garland was a training camp phenom two years ago, impressing the coaches with his work ethic and regularly outracing quarterback Tim Tebow in post-practice wind sprints."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/78...denver-broncos

Sounds like this kid is the real deal. Now we can definately trade out of the first round and pick up a couple additional later picks.

You're kidding right?

Never heard of him.....at least I don't remember.

At least one thing is for sure, all the guessing will end on Thursday.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

You're kidding right?

Appearantly not.
Elway: "DT not nearly the need people think it is" Does it change how we draft? NO. Because the front office isn't as concerned about the defensive front four as the fans are. If Fox and Del Rio have confidence in the DTs currently on the roster then obviously we won't be picking one.

Originally Posted by Mannway187

Appearantly not.
Elway: "DT not nearly the need people think it is" Does it change how we draft? NO. Because the front office isn't as concerned about the defensive front four as the fans are. If Fox and Del Rio have confidence in the DTs currently on the roster then obviously we won't be picking one.

But why would you think that Garland even factors into that confidence? He's literally never played a down in the NFL.......

Originally Posted by Jaded

But why would you think that Garland even factors into that confidence? He's literally never played a down in the NFL.......

Maybe that confidence comes from Garlands having participated in and completed training camp as a member of the Broncos in 2010. Had it not been for his Air Force commitment he would have been on the opening day roster in 2010. If he were a member of this years draft class he would likely be a 2nd round selection. Except that he actually has a six week head start. OK maybe preseason games can't be considered when deciding literal game experience, but you do line up accross from other actual NFL caliber competition some of which may even be 1st team linemen. You practice against your own teams offensive line every day for six weeks. Some of those practices and preseason games get taped and coaches can even watch those tapes and evaluate players. The Broncos probably have an entire library of these tapes, so the chances of them being able to go back and look at Garlands 2010 training camp performance may have given them a reason to be confident that the kid might be able to play some DT for them. Or maybe not. Maybe they don't watch the hours of practice tapes when they evaluate and make roster decisions, maybe they simply flip a coin, heads he's in, tails he's out. How else would they get the coinflipping practice they'll need once the literal season starts?

Originally Posted by Mannway187

Maybe that confidence comes from Garlands having participated in and completed training camp as a member of the Broncos in 2010. Had it not been for his Air Force commitment he would have been on the opening day roster in 2010.

If he were a member of this years draft class he would likely be a 2nd round selection. Except that he actually has a six week head start.

OK maybe preseason games can't be considered when deciding literal game experience, but you do line up accross from other actual NFL caliber competition some of which may even be 1st team linemen. You practice against your own teams offensive line every day for six weeks. Some of those practices and preseason games get taped and coaches can even watch those tapes and evaluate players. The Broncos probably have an entire library of these tapes, so the chances of them being able to go back and look at Garlands 2010 training camp performance may have given them a reason to be confident that the kid might be able to play some DT for them.

Or maybe not. Maybe they don't watch the hours of practice tapes when they evaluate and make roster decisions, maybe they simply flip a coin, heads he's in, tails he's out. How else would they get the coinflipping practice they'll need once the literal season starts?

Interesting, ya got a link or is that your assessment of the situation? 2nd round puts him in the Reyes/Thompson/Still range.......

Originally Posted by Mannway187

Appearantly not.
Elway: "DT not nearly the need people think it is" Does it change how we draft? NO. Because the front office isn't as concerned about the defensive front four as the fans are. If Fox and Del Rio have confidence in the DTs currently on the roster then obviously we won't be picking one.

That's quite stretch. I don't see anything in his comments that Garland is seen as any answer. The statement by itself means nothing. Elway may feel like defensive tackle isn't a priority but that doesn't mean Fox and Xanders feel that way. Going by last year Elway didn't unilatteral decisions. Fox and Xanders had huge say in personnel.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

That's quite stretch. I don't see anything in his comments that Garland is seen as any answer. The statement by itself means nothing. Elway may feel like defensive tackle isn't a priority but that doesn't mean Fox and Xanders feel that way. Going by last year Elway didn't unilatteral decisions. Fox and Xanders had huge say in personnel.

and if you think JDR won't have some say in the maekup of this d then you are flat nuts. Can anyone say Henderson, Stroud and alualu? He values tackles.

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

and if you think JDR won't have some say in the maekup of this d then you are flat nuts. Can anyone say Henderson, Stroud and alualu? He values tackles.

Absolutely. From what Elway said last year the coordinators were given opportunity to voice their opinions.

I, like so many others have been blessed with the gift of opinion. I have no problem recognising that my opinion may differ from others and may, at times be drawn while suffering from the effects of having had my head inserted in either a cloud or a dark tunnel. But, while my opinion may differ it is one of the few things in this world that I own title to. When the NFL holds its anual crapshoot otherwise known as the draft, this year will be no different than the previous 50. All of which reached completion without any of the teams or players involved ever contacting me to see what I thought. Afterwards, most of us will be able to say it was not our fault if the players our team choose differed from those we wanted them to invest in. None of us have any idea at this point what our teams plan may be and therefor can not know if that plan changed. What we do know is that there will be decisions made based on what the powers that be feel is best suited to make our team at least better than it had been. If it turns out different but not better at least we know it wasn't because of our involvement. Will my opinion make any difference next year? No, but it will still belong to me and I will still be glad to share it with all of you so that we can discuss if it was drawn from that cloud or that dark cavern. As long as the Broncos win next year who cares who they draft. It won't change the quality of my life or yours. Unless you happen to be a member of this years draft.

Originally Posted by Mannway187

I, like so many others have been blessed with the gift of opinion. I have no problem recognising that my opinion may differ from others and may, at times be drawn while suffering from the effects of having had my head inserted in either a cloud or a dark tunnel. But, while my opinion may differ it is one of the few things in this world that I own title to. When the NFL holds its anual crapshoot otherwise known as the draft, this year will be no different than the previous 50. All of which reached completion without any of the teams or players involved ever contacting me to see what I thought. Afterwards, most of us will be able to say it was not our fault if the players our team choose differed from those we wanted them to invest in. None of us have any idea at this point what our teams plan may be and therefor can not know if that plan changed. What we do know is that there will be decisions made based on what the powers that be feel is best suited to make our team at least better than it had been. If it turns out different but not better at least we know it wasn't because of our involvement. Will my opinion make any difference next year? No, but it will still belong to me and I will still be glad to share it with all of you so that we can discuss if it was drawn from that cloud or that dark cavern. As long as the Broncos win next year who cares who they draft. It won't change the quality of my life or yours. Unless you happen to be a member of this years draft.

behold a man who recognizes the value and impact of his opinion.

Originally Posted by Mannway187

Appearantly not.
Elway: "DT not nearly the need people think it is" Does it change how we draft? NO. Because the front office isn't as concerned about the defensive front four as the fans are. If Fox and Del Rio have confidence in the DTs currently on the roster then obviously we won't be picking one.

They probably ARE picking one. Maybe not in the first round. But, there's zero question that it's by far the biggest need on the team. Their DTs simply are not good. And no amount of management-speak about how much confidence they have in Warren & Vickerson is going to change that.

They'll be lucky if both those players are available to start the season. And who on God's earth is backing them up? Nobody at all!

This is a DESPERATE need whether they admit it or not. Period.

They liked him a ton but he's an effort/motor guy and not an earth mover. I would be amazed if he is heavier than say 285 right now. All that said I'm pulling for him because he's a Grand Junction kid.

Even if Garland turns out to be the Next Dan Hampton it doesn't mean you can't find another starter at 25, even another DT. It's not like Garland makes Beadles and Walton less pathetic, or Champ Bailey, Ty Warren and Willis McGahee any younger.......