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    The creators were able to get away with it because of the rules govern the punt formation. It allowed not all players to be line up on the line. California HS fixed the rule and thus A-11 goes away.
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    How the A-11 Offense would be defeated in the NFL

    1. Have the defense's hardest hitting player lined up in tight coverage on all of the receivers.

    2. Line up your teams 2 fastest players at DL positions a yard off wide of the center's shoulders.

    3. When the ball is sapped...
    ---a) jamb all of the receives as hard as you can at the line.
    ---b) have your DLs run full speed at the QB. The center would be luck if he could get over to block one of them. The other would be chasing the QB down while before he has even drop back 3 steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsid13 View Post
    The creators were able to get away with it because of the rules govern the punt formation. It allowed not all players to be line up on the line. California HS fixed the rule and thus A-11 goes away.
    Again, if a lineman is downfield before the ball is punted, it's gonna get called. They can't release from the line as soon as the ball is snapped, otherwise they get ineligible downfield. NFL fixed it before it even got started there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gobroncsnv View Post
    Again, if a lineman is downfield before the ball is punted, it's gonna get called. They can't release from the line as soon as the ball is snapped, otherwise they get ineligible downfield. NFL fixed it before it even got started there.
    Once again it was legal because of the loop hole.

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    "Except that it is perfectly legal on the high school level, thanks to a loophole in the rules that allows all 11 players to be potentially eligible on what is known as a scrimmage-kick formation, if everyone is wearing numbers between 1-49 and 80-99." (The other part of the rule not mentioned by ESPN is "as long as one player lines up at least 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage and there is no player under center."

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...weinreb/090302

    http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2...d-a-11-offense


    That rule was "fixed" and ended the ability of the A-11 to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elsid13 View Post
    Once again it was legal because of the loop hole.

    From ESPN

    "Except that it is perfectly legal on the high school level, thanks to a loophole in the rules that allows all 11 players to be potentially eligible on what is known as a scrimmage-kick formation, if everyone is wearing numbers between 1-49 and 80-99." (The other part of the rule not mentioned by ESPN is "as long as one player lines up at least 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage and there is no player under center."

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...weinreb/090302

    http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2...d-a-11-offense


    That rule was "fixed" and ended the ability of the A-11 to work.
    My mistake, I saw them asking about this in the NFL. Wasn't considering the use of it for HS...
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    Quote Originally Posted by elsid13 View Post
    Once again it was legal because of the loop hole.

    From ESPN

    "Except that it is perfectly legal on the high school level, thanks to a loophole in the rules that allows all 11 players to be potentially eligible on what is known as a scrimmage-kick formation, if everyone is wearing numbers between 1-49 and 80-99." (The other part of the rule not mentioned by ESPN is "as long as one player lines up at least 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage and there is no player under center."

    sources:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...weinreb/090302

    http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2...d-a-11-offense


    That rule was "fixed" and ended the ability of the A-11 to work.
    I officiate in Texas and that still wouldn't work here. Texas uses college rules for HS with a few exceptions. While there is a numbering exception for scrimmage kick formations (punts, FG), it just allows numbers other than 50-79 to be on the line, but they are still restricted by position from going downfield before the ball crosses the line of scrimmage.
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    I just got my new issue of "Referee" magazine and it addressed the A-11. I haven't had a chance to read the entire article yet, but I scanned it and it said that NFHS has made some rule changes that will make the formation illegal. Just wanted to give you a quick update.
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    The chances of a sack are much greater then a completion. Even if the Defense is surprised on of the inside rushers is coming free.

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