Thread: If we trade up or they land at 12?

Originally Posted by xzn

In other words, he played through injuries that can happen to anyone and hasn't missed a start in TWO YEARS.

We probably shouldn't have drafted Terrell Davis either since he had a few injuries in college....

how is sitting out of and missing games completely playing through injury????.....we have 1 LB injury case in boss bailey already do we really need another 1.

Originally Posted by xzn

Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews > Aaron Maybin and Everette Brown

We already have Elvis to play "Joker" on the weakside. We need a SOLB who has demonstrated the versatility to drop into zone coverage, not just short area zone, and also scrape off the edge, stack and shed, cover backs and TEs in man or blitz the QB.

Maybin and Brown have had their hands in the dirt with only occasional short area flat drops on zone dogs.

Cushing or Matthews are coverage backers who have proven the ability to play the run and also rush the passer.

I don't believe that you will get an arguement that we don't need a SOLB. however, do we need to use the #12 pick to obtain him is the question.

It is my belief that the nose in a 3-4 defense is the most important position. Right now we don't have one. Raji is not only the the best DT in the draft but, also, the one with the best skill-set for playing nose.

If we can get him without trading up, he would be my pick.

Tyson Jackson then a big body @ NT later on in the draft

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

how is sitting out of and missing games completely playing through injury????.....we have 1 LB injury case in boss bailey already do we really need another 1.

Elevation, this was what was posted:

Has struggled with injuries throughout his career -- missing five games due to a shoulder separation in 2005 and three games in 2007 due to a high ankle sprain, as well as undergoing surgery after the 2006 (shoulder) and 2007 (knee) spring practices.

That means that he didn't miss ANY time IN REAL GAMES in 2007 or 2008.

That's TWO YEARS.

Anybody can get hurt at any time.

If he had a persistent injury to the same part of his body that he kept aggravating I'd feel differenty.

Or if he'd had a catastrophic injury that threatened to dibilitate him long term I'd also feel differently.

But whatever OWIES he's gotten through he has played at a high level for two seasons as a starter on the best defense that doesn't get paid in the country.

Originally Posted by Dean

I don't believe that you will get an arguement that we don't need a SOLB. however, do we need to use the #12 pick to obtain him is the question.

It is my belief that the nose in a 3-4 defense is the most important position. Right now we don't have one. Raji is not only the the best DT in the draft but, also, the one with the best skill-set for playing nose.

If we can get him without trading up, he would be my pick.

No question if Raji is there he's the pick! Even Tyson.

But if both of them are gone we start looking at guys like:

Orakpo
Cushing
Clay Matthews
Everette Brown
Aaron Maybin
Robert Ayers
Rey Maualuga
Knowshon Moreno
Malcolm Jenkins

We might be able to draft two from that list with the 12 and 18 if things go our way.

Originally Posted by broncofaninfla

Tyson Jackson then a big body @ NT later on in the draft

Charley Casserly's latest mock had Tyson going 3rd overall to K.C.

Yeah, the word is KC is absolutely in love with TJax right now. So is GB. It's looking like we may not have much of a shot at landing him.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Yeah, the word is KC is absolutely in love with TJax right now. So is GB. It's looking like we may not have much of a shot at landing him.

True! Curry's stock is falling as well (alledgely) because he's one dimensional and Cleveland is high on Raji because many scouts believe Manguini doesn't take receivers in the first and the Browns need help on the DL, just repeating what hear about Curry and Raji!!

Originally Posted by xzn

In other words, he played through injuries that can happen to anyone and hasn't missed a start in TWO YEARS.

We probably shouldn't have drafted Terrell Davis either since he had a few injuries in college....

we didn't spend a first round pick on TD. . . .

cushing has been dogged by persistent allegations of steroids use since high school, and has been VERY susceptible to injury-- some scouts feel that he is overly muscle-bound and lacks joint flexibility, which can contribute to the problem. . . when you draft guys that have that many injury problems in college with a high pick you're taking a great risk, because those things rarely get better at the pro level. . . look at boss bailey, selvin young and ryan torain just on our immediate roster. . .

so why take a chance on a guy like that in a draft that's loaded with high-end linebacker talent? i don't necessarily agree with your assertion that we have to draft a strongside 'backer just because it's the most immediate need (as poor as our pass rush has been, i want the best edge rusher, regardless of his projected position-- IMO, that long term approach trumps needs-based drafting), but even if we do decide to take a strongside OLB, why not take clint sintim? he's a DURABLE, proven starter that actually played strong OLB in a 3-4 for four years in college, where he racked up 30+ career sacks compareed to 8 for cushing. . . his measurables aren't that far off, he's an excellent character and a polished player who could be plugged in immediately without having to learn a new position. . .

when your team has been ravaged by injuries over the past few years, why would you want to take a chance spending a high pick on a guy that's been so injury-prone throughout his college career when there are perfectly good alternatives available?

Either way we get a stud at 12

Originally Posted by dogfish

we didn't spend a first round pick on TD. . . .

cushing has been dogged by persistent allegations of steroids use since high school, and has been VERY susceptible to injury-- some scouts feel that he is overly muscle-bound and lacks joint flexibility, which can contribute to the problem. . . when you draft guys that have that many injury problems in college with a high pick you're taking a great risk, because those things rarely get better at the pro level. . . look at boss bailey, selvin young and ryan torain just on our immediate roster. . .

so why take a chance on a guy like that in a draft that's loaded with high-end linebacker talent? i don't necessarily agree with your assertion that we have to draft a strongside 'backer just because it's the most immediate need (as poor as our pass rush has been, i want the best edge rusher, regardless of his projected position-- IMO, that long term approach trumps needs-based drafting), but even if we do decide to take a strongside OLB, why not take clint sintim? he's a DURABLE, proven starter that actually played strong OLB in a 3-4 for four years in college, where he racked up 30+ career sacks compareed to 8 for cushing. . . his measurables aren't that far off, he's an excellent character and a polished player who could be plugged in immediately without having to learn a new position. . .

when your team has been ravaged by injuries over the past few years, why would you want to take a chance spending a high pick on a guy that's been so injury-prone throughout his college career when there are perfectly good alternatives available?

I want Sintim at 18 in the worst way. He's versatile and a complete player.

Originally Posted by BroncosBlitz

True! Curry's stock is falling as well (alledgely) because he's one dimensional and Cleveland is high on Raji because many scouts believe Manguini doesn't take receivers in the first and the Browns need help on the DL, just repeating what hear about Curry and Raji!!

In reading the most current "rumor" beit smokescreen or not, Browns are hot on Sanchez.

Which is fine with me...grab the guys we don't want first!!! So we don't have to go after them!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...e=NFLHeadlines

Originally Posted by SWMoBroncosFan

In reading the most current "rumor" beit smokescreen or not, Browns are hot on Sanchez.

Which is fine with me...grab the guys we don't want first!!! So we don't have to go after them!

As Chaz said we'll have a stud at 12 regardless, but I was watching ESPN or NFLN yesterday evening and someone from Cleveland (reporter) said the Browns were more interested in Raji than Crabtree. Just conversation, I haven't a clue what teams are thinking. I'm just looking forward to the BRONCOS and the way Jets fans react at the draft...they're hilarious!

Sintim had a major shoulder injury in 2006

He also is a liability in coverage and not that fast.

Negatives - Sintim doesn’t have great straight line speed and may not be a true ’side line to side line’ player. At times he’ll get too high and be engulfed by bigger blockers, and needs to improve his hand work to free himself. Scouts biggest concern is his ability to drop into coverage. He wasn’t asked to do that very much at Virginia and he struggled with it during Senior Bowl week looking stiff in the hips and had trouble diagnosing routes. He might not have the ability to play man coverage against backs or tight ends.

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