Thread: A Little Clarification On Cutlers Record

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

Why are you arguing? Seriously? I'll happily stop posting in this thread if you give me a sincere reason. I will also happily delete this post if you feel this is a personal attack.

I only ask since this topic comes up in every Cutler thread, but people just keep wanting to beat that dead horse.

I come to these forums to discuss and argue about football... not to discuss life and agree with others all the time.. Im sorry if that offends you.

Originally Posted by EMB6903

you dont want to mention the 2 rushing td's and 850 yards passing... Just the 2 tds to 4 ints?

Cutler played bad but he didnt play horrible during that stretch.... usually QB's can have a few bad games but they are backed up by the rest of their team... Hell I remember 2 years ago Dallas went into Buffalo Romo threw 6 INTS and Dallas still won... could you imagine if a Broncos QB threw 6 ints in 1game? a team would have put 70+ on us.

What was our rushing total for those last 3 games? (Not including the Eddie Royal 70-yard run vs. Buffalo)? No Running game = Cutler having to throw = Interceptions ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.

Originally Posted by getlynched47

What was our rushing total for those last 3 games? (Not including the Eddie Royal 70-yard run vs. Buffalo)? No Running game = Cutler having to throw = Interceptions ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.

no doubt.... Cutler had many bad throws this year where he forced... but what 3rd year Quarterback that is asked to throw the ball 600 times wouldnt?

Cutler is a good decision maker when asked to throw the ball around 20-25 times a game.... but when asked to huck the ball 40 times a game there is going to be turnovers... esspecially when you are 25 years old.

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Originally Posted by EMB6903

I come to these forums to discuss and argue about football... not to discuss life and agree with others all the time.. Im sorry if that offends you.

Damn I like that attitude. You can be my wingman anytime at Broncomania.

Originally Posted by EMB6903

I come to these forums to discuss and argue about football... not to discuss life and agree with others all the time.. Im sorry if that offends you.

That didn't answer my question, and it takes a hell of a lot more than wanting to discuss football to offend me. I want to get a better understanding of what you position is on this subject and why you are defending it so steadfastly.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

That didn't answer my question, and it takes a hell of a lot more than wanting to discuss football to offend me. I want to get a better understanding of what you position is on this subject and why you are defending it so steadfastly?

Because I get annoyed with the people who base their opinions of a player on wins and losses... esspecially in football.. I could see where one would think that way in Basketball when you are only playing with 4 other players on the court.... but in football how is it possible? you are playing along 10 other players offensively, 11 defensive players and 11 on special teams.... a 53 man roster!

Football is the ultimate team sport and to credit or blame the teams success on 1 player is ridiculous..

Originally Posted by EMB6903

Because I get annoyed with the people who base their opinions of a player on wins and losses... esspecially in football.. I could see where one would think that way in Basketball when you are only playing with 4 other players on the court.... but in football how is it possible? you are playing along 10 other players offensively, 11 defensive players and 11 on special teams.... a 53 man roster!

Football is the ultimate team sport and to credit or blame the teams success on 1 player is ridiculous..

But it's Jay Cutler's fault

I think we can all unite and agree Whiz has some super saggy testicles.

Originally Posted by EMB6903

Because I get annoyed with the people who base their opinions of a player on wins and losses... esspecially in football.. I could see where one would think that way in Basketball when you are only playing with 4 other players on the court.... but in football how is it possible? you are playing along 10 other players offensively, 11 defensive players and 11 on special teams.... a 53 man roster!

Football is the ultimate team sport and to credit or blame the teams success on 1 player is ridiculous..

agreed, the only time i really ever hear wins mentioned in QB conversation was when Brett took Elways title of winningest QB ever a few years back

its so beyond ignorant to base how good a QB is based on wins/losses

at least in bball that player is on the court for nearly 75% of the game if needed on offense and defense

cutler was on the field roughly 50% of the time and could not play defense nor STs

Originally Posted by SBboundBRONCOS

agreed, the only time i really ever hear wins mentioned in QB conversation was when Brett took Elways title of winningest QB ever a few years back

its so beyond ignorant to base how good a QB is based on wins/losses

at least in bball that player is on the court for nearly 75% of the game if needed on offense and defense

cutler was on the field roughly 50% of the time and could not play defense nor STs

Even beyond that, if we really brake down the win loss #'s from last year, Cutler had the 3rd best winning % in the NFL. Look at this, I would just post it here but we can't post in spreadsheet and it's a lot easier to read in spreadsheet.. Which NFL QB was the best in 2008?


Over the last ten years, When the deffense gives up 1-10 points, that team won 93.8% of the time. When the D gives up 11-15 that team won 74% of the time. When the D gave up 16-20, that team won 55.2% of the time. When the D gave up 21-25 that team won 42.9% of the time. When the D gave up 26-30 that team won 24.1% of the time. When they gave up 31-35, that team won 16% of the time. When the D gave up 36+ that team only won 7.1% of the time.

Cutlers #'s in each group were, 0 (There were no games 1-10) 11-15 (2)=100%, 16-20 (3)=100%, 21-25 =0 (1 game and lost) 26-30 (4) =25% 31-35 (3) = 33.3% 36+ (3) = 33.3%. Cutler had a higher winning % in every group except the one game in the 21-25 group.

The Broncos played in 11 games last year where the average NFL winning % is 46% - 7.1. The Broncos won a lot more games last year then they should have. If the QB gets all the credit and blame for wins and losses, Cutler would get credit for winning almost 3 + games last year over what the NFL average QB would have won.

I am starting to think Cutler was the worst thing to ever happen to the Broncos in recent years, whether he fails or not in Chicago. All he has done is bring division to the fanbase since he was brought in with the whole Jake Plummer fiasco that raged on even into 2007. Now this nonsense the last two months. It's sickening.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

I am starting to think Cutler was the worst thing to ever happen to the Broncos in recent years, whether he fails or not in Chicago. All he has done is bring division to the fanbase since he was brought in with the whole Jake Plummer fiasco that raged on even into 2007. Now this nonsense the last two months. It's sickening.

This division is Jay Cutler's fault? Is there anything that Broncos fans will not blame on the starting QB?

How bout the Middle East? That his fault?.......Global Warming?.......The Economy?.......Iran's Nukes?.......Reality TV?.......

Deny it all you want. It's true. For how it all turned out Denver could've kept Plummer, who got ****ed by Shanahan big time.

I don't understand why so many feel that it's necessary to run-down Cutler. We were presented with a trade that gives us the ability to improve the whole team and we took it. Couple that with Cutler not being able to get along with McD and it makes a world of sense to pull the trigger on it.

That doesn't mean that all of a sudden Cutler is a hack. He's still a supremely talented QB, and I wish him well in Chicago. No reason to try and denigrate him now, it just seems like sour grapes.

By the same token, if someone wants to pretend that he is already an HOF candidate, then they should expect to hear the down-side. The reality is that Cutler is somewhere in the middle. A ton of talent, but he hasn't really done anything yet to prove that he is irreplaceable to a team. We will be just fine without him. Orton is not as good as Cutler. Orton wouldn't have won as many games here with last season's team.

The good thing is that Orton won't be playing here with LAST season's team. Instead, he will be playing here with next season's team, which will have a ton of new players with us.

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

I don't understand why so many feel that it's necessary to run-down Cutler. We were presented with a trade that gives us the ability to improve the whole team and we took it. Couple that with Cutler not being able to get along with McD and it makes a world of sense to pull the trigger on it.

That doesn't mean that all of a sudden Cutler is a hack. He's still a supremely talented QB, and I wish him well in Chicago. No reason to try and denigrate him now, it just seems like sour grapes.

By the same token, if someone wants to pretend that he is already an HOF candidate, then they should expect to hear the down-side. The reality is that Cutler is somewhere in the middle. A ton of talent, but he hasn't really done anything yet to prove that he is irreplaceable to a team. We will be just fine without him. Orton is not as good as Cutler. Orton wouldn't have won as many games here with last season's team.

The good thing is that Orton won't be playing here with LAST season's team. Instead, he will be playing here with next season's team, which will have a ton of new players with us.

My feelings exactly. Cutler is a good QB and would have been a good QB in McDaniels offense. But he didn't want to be here and we might actually turn out to be a better overall team by trading him and getting value out of those picks. Now we just have to draft well.