Thread: Remember when Pat Bowlen wasn't David Sterling?

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

I can't imagine Denver is desireable to Manning. He knows he will make us better, but he also has to know we aren't winning anything of significance anytime soon.
I think he feels the same way about Tennessee, which si why he hasn't committed yet.

Manning's being a media whore and pulling a Farvesque move here. Tom Condon is fueling the fire. BRONCOS may still have drama with Tebow after the Manning saga

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

and BDB is one of the more level headed posters we have on this site. You start seeing these types of posts from him and it's time to check your pulse.

You guys get upset about the wrong things, then act like nothings wrong when shit actually hurts this team...

Tebow and McDaniels are/were bad for this team. Not overspending on FA scrubs is not bad. We've been down that road.

Originally Posted by claymore

I think Bowlen and Elway deserve our patience. Constantly calling them out for not picking guys up that A. dont want to be here, or B. We dont want them here... is ridiculous.

We are in the hunt for the most expensive dude ever. So, money probably isnt an issue.

^This

I said it before, spending money just for the sake of it is completely stupid (see Eagles). If your going to spend money than spend it on the right people (see Manning). From what we have heard they want to build through the draft and so far nothing has changed except adding a piece here or there via FA. I keep seeing people use the Packers as the blueprint for success yet they didnt go crazy in FA the last few years. They built through the draft.

Originally Posted by claymore

Thats a good thing. Its way better than the shanny era and always being over. The only must have guy is Payton Manning, and we are balls deep in that hunt.

Who else was a must have? Everyone out there was highly overpriced, and most had character issues.

Bingo. Its hilarious that Clay is now the voice of reason.

Yeah, McClain would have sucked. Good riddance to Bunkley too. We don't need those scrubs, we can find volunteers and UDFA's to bolster our depth and no one will know the difference.

Also, it's Tebow's fault.

You're exactly right. Don't overspend on guys that will never play up to their deals. But when two of the four FAs that you've visited with didn't even play last year, I have serious concerns about your strategy. I also am frustrated at the lack of visits. I'm not asking for the biggest name at every position but I am asking for movement.

Originally Posted by Northman

^This

I said it before, spending money just for the sake of it is completely stupid (see Eagles). If your going to spend money than spend it on the right people (see Manning). From what we have heard they want to build through the draft and so far nothing has changed except adding a piece here or there via FA. I keep seeing people use the Packers as the blueprint for success yet they didnt go crazy in FA the last few years. They built through the draft.

Again if we had $20 million in cap room and resigned Bunkley and Fells, or went out and signed a CB or something I wouldn't be questioning anything. But, if we lose out on Manning and continue this route, we will have $30 million in cap space when this is done and you can't possibly tell me that we couldn't have picked up a player or two to make our defense better.

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

You're exactly right. Don't overspend on guys that will never play up to their deals. But when two of the four FAs that you've visited with didn't even play last year, I have serious concerns about your strategy. I also am frustrated at the lack of visits. I'm not asking for the biggest name at every position but I am asking for movement.

Oh for christ sake Steve. Your worried about visits? Really? Come on. Who gives a shit about visits? We arent the ones running the team. If they dont feel someone who is a FA is going to help this team than they would be the ones to know. Hell, McClain came here but i can tell you now i dont think he is that special. He is basically a system LB who benefitted a lot from the guys around him yet i see a lot of you slobbering over him like he is Brian Urlacher. lol

Originally Posted by BigDaddyBronco

Again if we had $20 million in cap room and resigned Bunkley and Fells, or went out and signed a CB or something I wouldn't be questioning anything. But, if we lose out on Manning and continue this route, we will have $30 million in cap space when this is done and you can't possibly tell me that we couldn't have picked up a player or two to make our defense better.

Fells sucks so i dont care about him. Bunkley? Average but i would still take him back but maybe they dont like his asking price. As too CB? Who is out there that would be any better than Goodman? Answer: Nobody. Again, the FO has stated they want to build through the draft and if your someone who likes how the Packers did it than thats what you do. If Denver just needs "depth" or "bodies" they can sign ANY guy when the time comes for dirt cheap. There is no rush to spend a crapload of money on average players. Denver is probably sitting back because they know a lot of these players wont get the money they are asking for and will eventually come down on their asking price. Just look at some of the teams that have over spent on players. No way is Mario Williams worth the price he got paid in Buffalo. No way.

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

You're exactly right. Don't overspend on guys that will never play up to their deals. But when two of the four FAs that you've visited with didn't even play last year, I have serious concerns about your strategy. I also am frustrated at the lack of visits. I'm not asking for the biggest name at every position but I am asking for movement.

The best affordable FA's are going to want to go to a team that is in our situation (Tebow/Manning/whoever). So we would have to over pay them. Id rather wait it out, and build thru the draft.

Originally Posted by Northman

Oh for christ sake Steve. Your worried about visits? Really? Come on. Who gives a shit about visits? We arent the ones running the team. If they dont feel someone who is a FA is going to help this team than they would be the ones to know. Hell, McClain came here but i can tell you now i dont think he is that special. He is basically a system LB who benefitted a lot from the guys around him yet i see a lot of you slobbering over him like he is Brian Urlacher. lol

Which is it north? You don't want to go for big names and overspend, you don't want to go after small fish, or you just trust that everything the FO does must be the right move?

McClain would have filled an immediate need. He's not the best ILB int he world, but he's way better than Joe Mays.

you're right since we can't go after McClain/Lofton/Tulloch Joe Mays should do nicely. Hell at this rate the only DT on our roster will be Warren and Unrein. There is a balance to free agency. Don't overspend early but don't hold your cash too long or you end up overspending for 2nd and 3rd tier guys late.

Bunkley isn't avg lmao. if he were an UT he'd be subpar but according to PFF he was hands down the best 4-3 NT in the league vs the run last year. That's not someone you let walk at the ripe old age of 27.

Hell the Packers build throuogh the draft, but they retain their own FA's as well. They paid good money to keep Finley even though they have plenty of guys on that team to catch the ball. Why? Because he is a hell of a TE.

I wouldn't pay crazy money to keep Bunkley, but when they didn't get Soliai they immediately got into the position where they had to pay Bunkley more than they wanted. Or you can try and replace Bunkley with some scrubs, we see how well that has worked over the years.

We can't build through the draft because we suck at drafting and never draft certain positions. I bet we don't take a DT in the first 3 rounds this year, lose Bunkley and replace him with a 34 year old DT on the way out of the league and then have posters on here wonder why we are getting the ball run down our throat and have no interior pass rush.

Originally Posted by wayninja

Which is it north? You don't want to go for big names and overspend, you don't want to go after small fish, or you just trust that everything the FO does must be the right move?

McClain would have filled an immediate need. He's not the best ILB int he world, but he's way better than Joe Mays.

Do i trust the FO? Absolutely. I havent felt this confident in the FO in a very long time. And you cant overspend on guys just for the sake of doing it. We have to learn our lesson from the latter part of the Shanny era. IHOP anyone? And while McClain would of filled a need he also came from a 3-4 defense, one that Denver has started to stray away from. Mays is more familiar with the team right now and team chemistry is important.