Thread: Are Stafford and Sanchez Good Value At 12 or 18

Originally Posted by Rick

I think if we trade a qb for first round picks only to turn around and use a first on a QB that is simply a waste of what we got in the trade.

That is almost just turning around and trading your QB for a rookie QB, what is the point.

If we don't use all those picks we got, or atleast all the firsts on defensive players I personally think it will be one of the most moronic deals we have ever done.

I agree with the first part, but an argument can be made for a RB at #18 or even a WR at #12. Other than BM and Royal, our WRs are either role players or old. If a Crabtree or Maclin dropped, we'd be idiots not to at least give em a look...especially since BM's immediate and long term future is up in the air. Same can be said for Wells/Moreno/McCoy at #18. I don't think the O will focus too heavily on the run game, but we also need short yardga eguys who can score the ball. Either 3 would give the run game immediate credibility both in regular progression of the game and in short yardage.

I would not mind Sanchez. If he fits McD's system and the current guys dont. We have to bench him for a season tho so he can learn.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

really perhaps you should look at the history of college Qb's with little expirience when they declare and the sucess they have in the pros, i can tell you it will probally change your mind.

Maddox comes to mind. But if he gets sit for a year or two maybe that would make a difference.

both will need to be back-ups before anything, all 3 1st round QBs have HUGE bust potential, esp. Sanchez

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

really perhaps you should look at the history of college Qb's with little expirience when they declare and the sucess they have in the pros, i can tell you it will probally change your mind.

Ok... wait a minute, you are hating on a player because of the History with 1 year starters coming out of college....??

Have you actually seen him play or are you going with that nonsense? (no offense)

Ill judge a player on how HE PLAYS not over how other 1 year starters coming out have played.

Originally Posted by Gamechanger

both will need to be back-ups before anything, all 3 1st round QBs have HUGE bust potential, esp. Sanchez

why do you say that?

Freeman is a going to be a bust... Stafford has the highest upside but I think the safest 1 of the 3 is Sanchez.

I say no. I do not like the QB class at all this year but I do like a few of the late rounders and think we can pick up a nice sleeper.

Simms looked good before his splean. Orton has done pretty good and shows a lot getting him from McDaniels to finalize a trade and getting rid of Cutler.

I would hate getting a QB in the first 3 rounds.

Originally Posted by EMB6903

Ok... wait a minute, you are hating on a player because of the History with 1 year starters coming out of college....??

Have you actually seen him play or are you going with that nonsense? (no offense)

Ill judge a player on how HE PLAYS not over how other 1 year starters coming out have played.



why do you say that?

Freeman is a going to be a bust... Stafford has the highest upside but I think the safest 1 of the 3 is Sanchez.

I don't think what Elevation inc saying is hating Sanchez in least. I think what he saying is that the odds are not Sanchez's favor.

Originally Posted by EMB6903

why do you say that?

Freeman is a going to be a bust... Stafford has the highest upside but I think the safest 1 of the 3 is Sanchez.

something about Sanchez to me yells "ONE YEAR WONDER" in the worst way possible, sure he's safe but safe plays don't always pan out either, i mean, in some of his games he got away with some of the throws because of the defenses he was playing against (Oregon State really exposed him imo); his inexperience (16 Starts to me is STILL a red flag) will bite him in the ass if he's taken by a team who NEEDs a QB; also, he's not exactly at a school that has successful QBs in the NFL (Carson Palmer is the only one and you could make a case fot Cassel but I wanna see what he does in KC)

Freeman, however, could be less of a bust if he is picked up by Tampa Bay, he'd be eased into their offense and would be successful, they said the same thing about Flacco and how he would bust

Originally Posted by Rick

I think if we trade a qb for first round picks only to turn around and use a first on a QB that is simply a waste of what we got in the trade.

That is almost just turning around and trading your QB for a rookie QB, what is the point.

If we don't use all those picks we got, or atleast all the firsts on defensive players I personally think it will be one of the most moronic deals we have ever done.

well we would still have another 1st round pick from the Cutler trade in 2010 not to mention the 3rd rounder that was given to us...

That being said I hope we just wait it out and see if Sanchez drops to us, I really hope we dont trade into the top 10.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

I don't think what Elevation inc saying is hating Sanchez in least. I think what he saying is that the odds are not Sanchez's favor.

I think I know what he meant but thanks!

what Im trying to say is I could care less about the odds or the history of 1 year starters who turn into busts..... I'd rather judge him on how he plays.

those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. . . .

I would normally believe what you guys aer saying about the QBs experience in College. However... the more I'm hearing and learning about Sanchez.. the more I'm changing my mind on him. I didn't (and don't REALLY) want to spend our first round picks on a position we JUST traded away.

I respect Trent Dilfer's opinion a lot. I think he breaks down the QB position and player as good as anyone, and Trent is REALLY giving this kid ALLLLL the props for everything... from mechanics to personality.. to aura.

I'm beginning to change my mind on him. OUr front 7 on defense is horrendous, however, and know that we need to spend our picks there, first.

Originally Posted by Gamechanger

both will need to be back-ups before anything, all 3 1st round QBs have HUGE bust potential, esp. Sanchez

I think that is true of most quarterbacks and I would expect that even if Sanchez was drafted he would sit for a year maybe even two years.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

I think that is true of most quarterbacks and I would expect that even if Sanchez was drafted he would sit for a year maybe even two years.

a lot would think differently though, there could be only one Elway or Manning though, and thats wat many GMs are looking for in the QBs of today

Originally Posted by Gamechanger

a lot would think differently though, there could be only one Elway or Manning though, and thats wat many GMs are looking for in the QBs of today

I wouldn't doubt for a minute that GMs are looking for guy that can start from day one but those kind of quarterbacks are few and far between. Flacco and Ryan did well as starters but I would venture say that were rarely put in a position where they had to win games for their respective teams.