Thread: Trade Down with Philly

Simply a mock scenario, but from what Im gathering, Philly wants to move up in the draft. We give them our 12 and our third, we get their 21st and 28th.

We may give up 12 and a player, or whatever it takes but this scenario is for picking at 21 and 28.


21. Robert Ayers -versatile DE/OLB

28. Connor Barwin-versatile DE/OLB/TE

48. Ron Brace-NT

Nope. They won't trade all the way up to 12 for that price. More likely trade candidates for the 12th pick are the Jets or the Lions, both of whom have expressed interest in Mark Sanchez.

it's been discussed here before (chaz brought it up at least a month ago), and it does make some sense given that philly has traditionally been one of the most aggressive teams in the league when it comes to moving up for prospects they like. . . if it happened, it would most likely be #21 and #53, not 21 and 28-- the points are very close according to the trade value chart, 21 and 28 is too much. . . . philly needs a left tackle badly, and they're a team that has always invested highly in their lines, so i can see them moving up if they really think andre smith is worth the risk-- but unfortunately, the way things are projecting right now, IMO they can probably afford to sit back and still have a solid chance of having michael oher, eben britton, or possibly even smith still be on the board at 21. . . of course, britton looks like more of a right tackle, and they really need someone for the left side. . .

do they take the chance that oher or smith falls to 'em, or are they willing to "settle" for william beatty? they're in a really strong position with a second pick in the first round and a pretty solid roster-- there are several directions they can go at this point, but with needs at safety, wide receiver, tight end and possibly running back, i'm not so sure that they'll want to give up a pick that could potentially land them a player like donald brown, lesean mccoy, rashad jennings, brian robiskie, jared cook, shawn nelson, chase coffman, william moore or rashad johnson. . . .

but if we are going to trade down, IMO it almost has to be with someone that's after either one of the OT prospects or mark sanchez. . . . you never know until draft day, but with the way things are projecting right now i really don't see any other players that are likely to be available in that range that anyone would trade up for. . . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

it's been discussed here before (chaz brought it up at least a month ago), and it does make some sense given that philly has traditionally been one of the most aggressive teams in the league when it comes to moving up for prospects they like. . . if it happened, it would most likely be #21 and #53, not 21 and 28-- the points are very close according to the trade value chart, 21 and 28 is too much. . . . philly needs a left tackle badly, and they're a team that has always invested highly in their lines, so i can see them moving up if they really think andre smith is worth the risk-- but unfortunately, the way things are projecting right now, IMO they can probably afford to sit back and still have a solid chance of having michael oher, eben britton, or possibly even smith still be on the board at 21. . . of course, britton looks like more of a right tackle, and they really need someone for the left side. . .

do they take the chance that oher or smith falls to 'em, or are they willing to "settle" for william beatty? they're in a really strong position with a second pick in the first round and a pretty solid roster-- there are several directions they can go at this point, but with needs at safety, wide receiver, tight end and possibly running back, i'm not so sure that they'll want to give up a pick that could potentially land them a player like donald brown, lesean mccoy, rashad jennings, brian robiskie, jared cook, shawn nelson, chase coffman, william moore or rashad johnson. . . .

but if we are going to trade down, IMO it almost has to be with someone that's after either one of the OT prospects or mark sanchez. . . . you never know until draft day, but with the way things are projecting right now i really don't see any other players that are likely to be available in that range that anyone would trade up for. . . .

I share your thinking for the most part.

I think Philly is VERY interested in moving up for Andre Smith. They have a specific mold of O-linemen that they use. Mostly, mammoth O-linemen. Out of all the 1st Round prospects, only Andre Smith fits what they do as of now. And they appear to need a LT (though there is talk of moving Shawn Andrews there) that can start immediately. I think Micheal Oher is the other guy that might be considered, but I expect both to be long gone by #21 Overall.

The latest that Andre Smith goes is #13 to Washington. Outside of some poor decisions, this is the most dominating OT in this draft. And Washington needs OT help badly. If Andre Smith gets snagged before #13, I think Washington would reach a tad on Micheal Oher. So, I think #12 Overall (us) has a ton of value for teams wanting to trade up for a stud OT prospect.

And since neither Britton nor Beatty fit the Eagles massive, mauling scheme, I think the Eagles will heavily eye moving up ahead of Washington to nab their biggest need.

We just really need Andre Smith to be there for almost a sure bite.

And the problem there lies in the fact that SF, even though they signed a 2 year deal with injury riddled Marvel Smith, needs a long term RT prospect as their biggest need. And Buffalo has all sorts of trouble at its OT spots. Jason Peters doesn't want to play there without a massive contract and might hold out again. Langston Walker at RT is overpaid, and while he played decent, he might be a better fit as an OG, where Dockery was released.

I could see either team snagging Andre Smith, especially SF where Singletary believes he can motivate anyone. That might kill our trade value unless Philly really likes Micheal Oher, which is a possibility.


Regardless, if the trade goes down I agree that your suggestion of:

#21 and #51 for #12

is the likely option we're looking at. And I think we'd much rather pick at #21 than #12 since the Top 15 calibur OLB/DE types will be gone outside of maybe Robert Ayers, though both SF and Buffalo are looking at him hard as well.

Hopefully this trade will happen.

yea, i suspect that philly will be very interested in andre smith if they're willing to look past the character concerns, because he fits their prototype very well. . . i also think that (short of raji or brown falling, which i don't see happening) 21 is probably a lot better spot for us in this year's draft than 12-- i really don't want to take a chance on orakpo with his injury concerns, and i think we'd still be guaranteed a shot at one, or more likely several of the top edge rusher/OLB candidates at 21. . . out of ayers, clay matthews, connor barwin, larry english, and probably maybin (not my preference), several of them should almost certainly be there. . . . if the FO wants tyson jackson i think we'd have to remain at 12 to stay ahead of san diego, but otherwise we're likely to get the same type of prospect at 21 as we are at 12, while paying less and picking up an extra 3rd that would really help a lot in the process. . . .

Originally Posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan

I share your thinking for the most part.

I think Philly is VERY interested in moving up for Andre Smith. They have a specific mold of O-linemen that they use. Mostly, mammoth O-linemen. Out of all the 1st Round prospects, only Andre Smith fits what they do as of now. And they appear to need a LT (though there is talk of moving Shawn Andrews there) that can start immediately. I think Micheal Oher is the other guy that might be considered, but I expect both to be long gone by #21 Overall.

The latest that Andre Smith goes is #13 to Washington. Outside of some poor decisions, this is the most dominating OT in this draft. And Washington needs OT help badly. If Andre Smith gets snagged before #13, I think Washington would reach a tad on Micheal Oher. So, I think #12 Overall (us) has a ton of value for teams wanting to trade up for a stud OT prospect.

And since neither Britton nor Beatty fit the Eagles massive, mauling scheme, I think the Eagles will heavily eye moving up ahead of Washington to nab their biggest need.

We just really need Andre Smith to be there for almost a sure bite.

And the problem there lies in the fact that SF, even though they signed a 2 year deal with injury riddled Marvel Smith, needs a long term RT prospect as their biggest need. And Buffalo has all sorts of trouble at its OT spots. Jason Peters doesn't want to play there without a massive contract and might hold out again. Langston Walker at RT is overpaid, and while he played decent, he might be a better fit as an OG, where Dockery was released.

I could see either team snagging Andre Smith, especially SF where Singletary believes he can motivate anyone. That might kill our trade value unless Philly really likes Micheal Oher, which is a possibility.


Regardless, if the trade goes down I agree that your suggestion of:

#21 and #51 for #12

is the likely option we're looking at. And I think we'd much rather pick at #21 than #12 since the Top 15 calibur OLB/DE types will be gone outside of maybe Robert Ayers, though both SF and Buffalo are looking at him hard as well.

Hopefully this trade will happen.

Flabby titties?

Originally Posted by dogfish

yea, i suspect that philly will be very interested in andre smith if they're willing to look past the character concerns, because he fits their prototype very well. . . i also think that (short of raji or brown falling, which i don't see happening) 21 is probably a lot better spot for us in this year's draft than 12-- i really don't want to take a chance on orakpo with his injury concerns, and i think we'd still be guaranteed a shot at one, or more likely several of the top edge rusher/OLB candidates at 21. . . out of ayers, clay matthews, connor barwin, larry english, and probably maybin (not my preference), several of them should almost certainly be there. . . . if the FO wants tyson jackson i think we'd have to remain at 12 to stay ahead of san diego, but otherwise we're likely to get the same type of prospect at 21 as we are at 12, while paying less and picking up an extra 3rd that would really help a lot in the process. . . .

Man, I find it hard to believe that Andy Reid would move up to 12 from 28 to get a possible character-issue guy after the Winston Justice debacle. Not that there was too much risk associated with the Justice pick, but that would be two questionable character tackles in three years...

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

Simply a mock scenario, but from what Im gathering, Philly wants to move up in the draft. We give them our 12 and our third, we get their 21st and 28th.

We may give up 12 and a player, or whatever it takes but this scenario is for picking at 21 and 28.


21. Robert Ayers -versatile DE/OLB

28. Connor Barwin-versatile DE/OLB/TE

48. Ron Brace-NT

disagreed

Originally Posted by Magnificent Seven

disagreed

With what part?

The trade or the picks?

Originally Posted by MissouriBronc

With what part?

The trade or the picks?

Trade. We need to draft a stud defensive player. I cherish # 12.

but but but if we trade back then my God we will be getting those lousy 20 picks we have screwed the pooch with the past decade.. we can never win with them..

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

Nope. They won't trade all the way up to 12 for that price. More likely trade candidates for the 12th pick are the Jets or the Lions, both of whom have expressed interest in Mark Sanchez.

Possible............but this is the Philly trade scenario thread.

It will take more than our 12 to get their 21 and 28........thats understood.

But this was more for: who would you suggest we draft at those selections?

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

Possible............but this is the Philly trade scenario thread.

It will take more than our 12 to get their 21 and 28........thats understood.

But this was more for: who would you suggest we draft at those selections?

pick 21- DE/OLB Larry English
Pick 28- RB Donald Brown

I think Det, Jets, Tampa, and Vikings could all be trade partners at 12. If Freeman is the only QB left on the board we could see a few teams in a bidding war for the last first round prospect.

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

Possible............but this is the Philly trade scenario thread.

It will take more than our 12 to get their 21 and 28........thats understood.

But this was more for: who would you suggest we draft at those selections?

Certainly not Ayers. I dunno how the hell this dude is rising up the charts. Now I do like him...in round 3, but nothing he has done warrants consdieration in rd1.

I go back to the notion that these experts have to justify their existance and charging people to access their sites. They have to make some changes to their "big boards" or they will lose $$. The talking heads strike again.