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Originally Posted by aberdien

Feel free to do some reading about the song (wiki is fine) if you wish, and then dive into the 10 minute Taylor's version, which she also performed on SNL recently.

We both love Donnie Darko! Taylor is going to be the next Mrs. Travis if I have anything to say about it!

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

**is it an absolute fact that she penned every syllable of the lyrics?**

She writes the bulk of her songs, even the ones that are cowritten. She is reportedly simply very willing to give credit to others for helping throughout the process. That she cowrote that song does not mean she did not write the song, as King wrongly suggests.

I love All Too Well, but to me her best songs tend to be the ones where she has sole writing credit. Nevertheless, she is a songwriter, and a good one. Every single artist she has collaborated with has vouched for her ability to write songs. She has released documentaries, voice memos along with albums, lots of primary source material that shows her and the writing process she goes through.

The idea that a white girl teeny bopping pop-country star could write songs is baffling to ignorant people like King, thus the career-long false narrative from people that she doesn't write songs.

Originally Posted by King87

She, like almost every other mainstream artist, hides behind the "co-writing," label. Meaning they can do diddly-jack for contributions and still get a credit. BTW, I'm King87, nice to meet you! Are you new to this forum?

Yeah, that's a thing. But who wrote the lyrics?

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Yeah, that's a thing. But who wrote the lyrics?

"“It was a day when I was like a broken human walking to rehearsal, just feeling terrible about what was going on in my personal life,” Swift told Rolling Stone, recalling the origins of “All Too Well.” She ad-libbed lyrics over chords she had written, as her backing band fell in behind her. “They could tell I was really going through it.” Originally 10 minutes long, “All Too Well” would be paired down by Swift and co-writer Liz Rose into a finely burnished reflection on past love, full of unforgettable imagery and detail. “I thought it was too dark, too sad, too intense, just too many things,” Swift said. But it has become a songwriting peak and one of the greatest breakup songs of all time."

https://www.thenashnews.com/post/liz...h-taylor-swift

Most recently, Rose’s name has been added in the history books as “All Too Well (10 Minute Version)” broke the record for longest song to reach the No. 1 spot on the Billboard Hot 100 Chart. It was previously held by “American Pie” by Don McLean which has clung to the record since 1972, until Swift came along of course. Speaking of the track, Rose states, “First of all, it just blew my mind that she went back and pulled back all those pieces and put them back in. It was brilliant. I don’t know how she did it but I thought that was pretty amazing to take herself back to that moment.”

Rose recalls the moment they wrote it together. Swift had an inner monologue that continued to pour and pour. “When we wrote it, she came in and she just said, ‘I have all this stream of consciousness,’” Rose tells us. “And she just started singing stuff and we started: what would hit us the hardest is what would go in the song.” When looking at the lyrics that were added to the 10 minute version of the track, Liz tells The Nash News, “Those were things that were in there in her stream of consciousness at the beginning when she started writing it.”

Compared to previous songs Rose had written, “All Too Well” was a completely different animal due to the fast-paced thoughts Swift was having at the time of penning it and because of the heaviness it held. “It was such an emotional song and she had so many brilliant things coming out of her brain all at once. It was not a sit down and look at it and piece it together kind of song,” Rose states. “Taylor sat down with a guitar and just started singing stuff. Then she sat down at the piano and kept singing.”

Although the song was written a decade ago, Rose can vividly remember the day the two of them crafted it as she reminisces, “It was last minute; she just called me and said ‘I’ve got this thing and there’s so much and can you just come help me figure it out.’ It was a great day; it was a really great day. She’s just brilliant. She’s a genius.”

Rose is one of the few who have had the chance to watch Swift evolve as an artist from her teenage years at a close distance. When thinking back to earlier times, Rose brings up a past memory. “I remember when she wrote ‘Our Song’ and we had been writing quite a bit and she came in and said, ‘I’d written this song by myself, can I play it for you?’ and I was like, ‘Absolutely.’ I was just like, oh my god that is so brilliant.” She goes on to add, “You know, I think Taylor has gotten better. And what’s so brilliant about her is that she didn’t have to go off the rails and change everything she did. If you hear a Taylor Swift song now, you can go back and go, she’s doing the same thing she always did. She’s just older and talking about older subjects. She’s grown with her material and she’s perfected it. She doesn’t reinvent herself, she just grows. And I don’t think a lot of artists can do that. They try to outsmart themselves and she’s just trying to get better and evolve and she continues to do it.”

She concludes her praises for Swift by saying, “She is a singer-songwriter performing artist icon. You can’t put her in a box. She’s a superstar.” With an endearing sweetness she adds, “And it’s so funny ‘cause I used to call her that when she was like 17, I’d go ‘Hey superstar.’ I’m so proud of her; I’m still in awe of her.”

Originally Posted by aberdien

The idea that a white girl teeny bopping pop-country star could write songs is baffling to ignorant people like King, thus the career-long false narrative from people that she doesn't write songs.

1. I don't care that she's white.

2. I don't care that she did country/does country/has a country flair in her music.

3. It's a common reality that most pop-stars don't write their own music, so the notion that I'm ignorant is absurd and makes you sound like an obtuse moose.

4. For two whole years I heard her music constantly played at my work place. I have dated people, both men and women, who like TS. I am not uninitiated with her music. No, I don't think she actually writes her song, for the same reason I don't think most people in the music industry write their songs.

5. The mere fact that she has credits doesn't mean she wrote anything. I'd go with the classic example of someone in a group project doing nothing but putting their name on the assignment, but that'd be too obvious an argument.

6. **** Buff for hating lists, stupid ho!

Originally Posted by aberdien

https://www.thenashnews.com/post/liz...h-taylor-swift

I feel it's proper to award the point to abe on this matter.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Yeah, that's a thing. But who wrote the lyrics?

A person Abe doesn't get an insta-chub for.

Originally Posted by King87

4. For two whole years I heard her music constantly played at my work place. I have dated people, both men and women, who like TS. I am not uninitiated with her music. No, I don't think she actually writes her song, for the same reason I don't think most people in the music industry write their songs.

Idk man. I think there's a reason Eminem, Dre, and Ye are so successful. I know Ye wrote for Jay-Z, and there's all kind of associate/partner IP-appropriation in the game...but it seems the geniuses tend to get their due.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I feel it's proper to award the point to abe on this matter.

Other than the fact that it cements my co-writing argument, someone who has ties to a popular artist complimenting them isn't exactly the most ringing endorsement. What was your name again? Hawg is it? Hope you stick around as a poster, we could use some new blood.

https://www.dallasobserver.com/music...-more-11546761

While never a single, “All Too Well” has been an almost cult-like favorite among Swift fans. Rolling Stone named it her best song of all time, and from interviews with Swift and Rose, many fans believe there’s an even longer version of the 5-minute song.

“There’s not a long version,” Rose says. “Well, there may be. The one I know of was in her brain. She had this long story and musically all the things she wanted to put in it. It was probably a 20-minute song when she called me. And she knew I could help her whittle it down and work on the brilliant pieces of it.”

Rose has previously said she works more as an editor for Swift than other co-writers.

“There aren’t many like Taylor,” Rose says. “I write with a lot of great people, but I’ve never experienced what it’s like being in the room with her. It’s the only time I’ve ever really experienced that.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...220935530.html

When Taylor Swift was first rising to stardom, and even for a few years afterward, there were a lot of naysayers who refused to believe a girl that young had that kind of songwriting talent. They looked at the credits on her albums and came to an easy conclusion: Clearly, Liz Rose, her decades-older co-writer, was the genius behind the throne.

"I know," says Rose now, remembering the time when Taylor haters were jumping to give her all the credit. "Look at those lyrics. Those are the lyrics of a 13-, 14-, 15-, 16-, 17-, 18-year-old. We certainly weren't writing 50-year-old Liz Rose songs — or 40-year-old, or however old I was then. I don't think like that! It's so funny to me that people could imagine that."

Rose could hardly be humbler when she describes how her co-writing with Swift has worked. She's willing to accept far more credit when it comes to the other collaborations that have led to hit singles — such as "Crazy Girl," the No. 1 country hit for the Eli Young Band that won her an ACM Award last year for Song of the Year. When it comes to Swift, Rose swears that the ideas always sprang directly from the then-curly head of the young star, and that her primary function was to act as a conduit.

"The reason it worked is that I didn't get in her way," Rose says. "With Taylor, it really was editing. That's never anything that she said — that's just how it was! At some point I wondered if I was selling myself short by saying that, because songwriting is songwriting. But with her, that's really what I do, and it's unlike the way I've written with anybody else before or since. A lot of it with Taylor was editing and moving this there and saying, 'Well, what if we said it like this?' I can remember times when I would try and throw out an idea for a new song: 'How about we write this?' And she would just go, 'Yeah, I don't think so. Go and write that with somebody else.' Because Taylor always wanted to write her songs. And there was always so much going on in her brain, you just had to help her get it out and get it down. She always has a reason behind why she's writing something. She's lived it or felt it. She's not making it up."

The fact that their songs were un-pitchable to anyone else in Nashville is part-and-parcel with what made Swift a superstar. "I never wrote with Taylor thinking that we were going to pitch the song. I always knew that we were writing Taylor songs. She really has her own way of saying things. I meet a lot of young girls that think they can be Taylor if I help them out, and I have to say to them, 'These are Taylor's words. There was no magic fairy dust around me. Taylor knew how to write a song at 13. So you need to go figure out how to write your song first.'"

Originally Posted by King87

Other than the fact that it cements my co-writing argument, someone who has ties to a popular artist complimenting them isn't exactly the most ringing endorsement. What was your name again? Hawg is it? Hope you stick around as a poster, we could use some new blood.

This is disrespectful, young man! I urge you toward humility.

I'm not sure why we doubt the possibility of young genius. Joan Baez was 18 when she was turning the world upside down. Yeah. I really just don't gaf about this petty squabble. TSwift may have a machine behind her. That doesn't mean she's not the powerplant of the machine.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Idk man. I think there's a reason Eminem, Dre, and Ye are so successful. I know Ye wrote for Jay-Z, and there's all kind of associate/partner IP-appropriation in the game...but it seems the geniuses tend to get their due.

When Drake admitted he had writers he got flamed for it and was removed from the GOAT conversation. Granted he should never have been in that convo to begin with, but still. One of the reasons folks try to hype up the "TS writes her own lyrics," argument is that fact that she's not a great guitarist, nor does she have a spectacular voice. It's very much a rush to validate or justify.

She has wonderful songs. I enjoy her song 'Style'. Not just because it's the greatest philosophy of all listed in the name, but we're literally having a conversation about Taylor Swift being this mega-talent. Does anyone want to remember how she got her start in the industry? Would it be...her dad spending $300,000?

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertain...st-album.html/

I am dominating this thread with proper skepticism and common sense.