Thread: McDaniels is a disappointment and the Cutler show is no more

Originally Posted by broncohead

So you expect us to score 30 or more points per game just to stay in it?

No. I expect our offense not to turn the ball over 27 times by our two marquee players.

Originally Posted by broncohead

But as the HC your job is to control the team as well.

#1 is wins. Do you deny that?

Originally Posted by Magnificent Seven

They have one month left to burn the hatchet or make a final decision to trade Cutler. One month left.

Burn the hatchet or bust.

I think the correct term is "bury the hatchet".

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

I think the correct term is "bury the hatchet".

OOPS! Bury the hatchet or bust!

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

You made some good points, but this statement needs to be addressed.

The job of a HC is to WIN GAMES. Players come and go. Winning is all that matters.

Period, end of story.

You are right. We'll have to wait and see if he brings championships to Denver for final judgment.

My point is that his decisions and actions to this point have results that--while not losses in the loss column of the 2009 AFC West standings--are more like those losses than wins. Creating an environment like the one he has in his first few months on the job does more to lose games than win them. I believe that is a fair statement after observing him in his role as HC. How important these peripheral matters are to the job of claiming NFL championships I don't know. My experience with bosses and organizations is that the first impression is strong and lasting, and that organizational culture has an effect on organizational performance.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

You are right. We'll have to wait and see if he brings championships to Denver for final judgment.

My point is that his decisions and actions to this point have results that--while not losses in the loss column of the 2009 AFC West standings--are more like those losses than wins. Creating an environment like the one he has in his first few months on the job does more to lose games than win them. I believe that is a fair statement after observing him in his role as HC. How important these peripheral matters are to the job of claiming NFL championships I don't know. My experience with bosses and organizations is that the first impression is strong and lasting, and that organizational culture has an effect on organizational performance.

He has one disgruntled, misinformed and childish player. That's it. He's also brought in character players such as Brian Dawkins, and quality coordinators like Mike Nolan.

Hell, he hasn't even had a draft yet! Its very hard to judge a coach/organization on three months of nothing but free agency, even if there were trades offered to the Broncos for our quarterback and they refused...which seems to be forgotten. The trades were REFUSED. I wish Cutler, and those swinging from his nuts would remember that.

First impressions apply to Cutler as well.

I'm willing to give McD a chance. Cutler has had his, with one of the greatest coaches ever.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Just to be clear, I don't want Cutler going anywhere. I want him as the Broncos QB for a long, long time. But, whether he is here or not will not alter my love for the organization.

Clearly, the lack of scoring does not fall solely on Cutler, but it certainly doesn't fall on the defense or running game solely either.

Perhaps there was a reason Shanahan was fired? Even with all the backs going down to injury, we still did well when we chose to run. Ranked pretty high in yards/carry and total yards. Just didn't have the attempts.

Just because I dont like what Obama is doing doesnt mean I dont love America. It means Im conerned for its future, and my children will have to pay the price.

Same can be said with the Broncos.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

First impressions apply to Cutler as well.

I'm willing to give McD a chance. Cutler has had his, with one of the greatest coaches ever.

2.5 years, he set Broncos records. He is it dude. He is our stud QB. we cant let him go. He has provided the only excitement in 2 years.

Originally Posted by claymore

Just because I dont like what Obama is doing doesnt mean I dont love America. It means Im conerned for its future, and my children will have to pay the price.

Same can be said with the Broncos.

No. Actually, it can't.

Obama has had his chance at a Congress in session, which is the equivalent to a season in the NFL. McDaniels hasn't had the chance to coach a season yet. Hell, he hasn't even had the chance to be a coach during the draft yet, and people are labeling him as a failure.

It's not a comparable situation, because the results can't be seen until next December, whereas the results of Obama's administrations are immediate.

Not a good comparison at all, and why don't we keep the politics out of the Broncos Talk.

Originally Posted by claymore

2.5 years, he set Broncos records. He is it dude. He is our stud QB. we cant let him go. He has provided the only excitement in 2 years.

9-7 (after taking over a team that was 7-4, 13-3 the previous season)
7-9
8-8

No playoffs.

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Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

9-7 (after taking over a team that was 7-4, 13-3 the previous season)
7-9
8-8

No playoffs.

. . .

Judging a quarterback on win-loss records is stupid.

Originally Posted by MissouriBronc

Judging a quarterback on win-loss records is stupid.

Right. Elway's stats weren't the best, and Cutler's are better.

Never mind Elway retired the #1 QB in terms of games won.

That's irrelevant.

I just don't get all the love for Cutler. He's a talented QB, with tons of potential, but he has yet to really prove anything other than having all kinds of excuses for not winning since highschool.

Originally Posted by MissouriBronc

Judging a quarterback on win-loss records is stupid.

Exactly!!

I would rather have the next Dan Fouts and set individual records every year for most yards gained and 400 yard games than win games, go to the playoffs, and win the Super Bowl.

McDaniels lack of "leadership" is a disappointment, and Cutler's "lack of character' is a disappointment. It's the perfect cap of what's been a steady downward spiral since 1999.