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    I think Eli continues to show that he is MUCH more than a game manager. He's smart, decisive, and accurate. He doesn't rattle, he doesn't panic, and is always top notch in 3rd downs and 4th quarter.
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    I blame the O-Line

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    Quote Originally Posted by slim View Post
    Brady is elite, no question about it.

    Eli is not, IMO. I think Eli is much closer to being a game manager than he is to being an elite QB.
    I used to think the same thing until this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post
    Should of just stopped there.
    Opinions are like ******** North. I have a hard time rooting for any player out of Michigan.

    That being said, I bet 70% of the quarterbacks that started a game in the NFL in 2012 would be successful in Billachick's offense. Brady is considered elite because he is surrounded by elite play makers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thnikkaman View Post
    Opinions are like ******** North. I have a hard time rooting for any player out of Michigan.

    That being said, I bet 70% of the quarterbacks that started a game in the NFL in 2012 would be successful in Billachick's offense. Brady is considered elite because he is surrounded by elite play makers.
    Certainly your opinion, i was just pointing out that you have a massive bias so i apologize if i cant take what you said as being objective on said subject.

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    tink and North, why don't you guys just cool it for a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post
    Certainly your opinion, i was just pointing out that you have a massive bias so i apologize if i cant take what you said as being objective on said subject.
    I'd also be more reasonable if I wasn't on day 5 of this godawful cold. I got some nasal spray over lunch and I no longer feel like I've got 40psi in my sinuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MNPatsFan View Post
    King, you are being disingenuous and you know it. In the two Super Bowls that Brady has lost, he only had 35 seconds and 57 seconds in which to "lead the Patriots to a game winning touchdown". Neither Montana nor Elway EVER led their team to a Super Bowl winning TD when starting with less then 3:20 left in game, let alone under a minute. Therefore, under your criteria and analysis, neither Montana nor Elway would be elite either.
    Not at all. The main reason why Brady was so celebrated was because he was so clutch. He gets the ball back in the fourth and he's supposed to win. For years and years when he was just a good passer and not a great one that was why he was so highly touted.

    Brady played a good game. Also, don't put words in my mouth, because that's not my criteria. I think judging a quarterback by Super Bowl wins is retarded. The "is Eli better then Peyton" conversations are sparking up, and those two QB's are not even close.

    The fact remains that Brady has not won a SB as an elite passer. He's won the SB's as a good QB on a strong defensive team, but he wasn't the driving force of the team. He's now 0-2 in his last two SB's when you need a touchdown he can't get you one.

    But he can get you that field goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachChaz View Post
    I was shocked to see Welker and Hernandez drop such easy passes. There were a few that I thought Branch should have had as well.
    Dude, you stole my line. The only thing left for me to remind everyone that these 3 drops were consecutive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyBronco View Post
    The drops weren't as big of a deal as getting sacked and having to use that last time out. The Giants DLine stepped up big in the 4th quarter.
    I credit the Giants’ DBs for covering the Patriots WRs long enough for the Giants’ elite DL to get that sack. Did Brady hold on to the ball longer then he should of? Maybe if you’re talking about it happening in the 1st 3˝ quarters. However, with less than a minute in the game, he had no choice by to try and make something happen & hope for the best. I have no doubt that every QB in the HoF, including Elway, would have gotten sacked by the Giants elite pass rush in that situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    Not at all. The main reason why Brady was so celebrated was because he was so clutch. He gets the ball back in the fourth and he's supposed to win. For years and years when he was just a good passer and not a great one that was why he was so highly touted.

    Brady played a good game. Also, don't put words in my mouth, because that's not my criteria. I think judging a quarterback by Super Bowl wins is retarded. The "is Eli better then Peyton" conversations are sparking up, and those two QB's are not even close.

    The fact remains that Brady has not won a SB as an elite passer. He's won the SB's as a good QB on a strong defensive team, but he wasn't the driving force of the team. He's now 0-2 in his last two SB's when you need a touchdown he can't get you one.

    But he can get you that field goal.
    Let me see if I can summarize what you said in 1 sentence: FOOTBALL IS A TEAM SPORT! Teams that understand that win SB, like the Patriots used to do & the Giants still do. Teams that don't understand that don't win SBs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FanInAZ View Post
    Let me see if I can summarize what you said in 1 sentence: FOOTBALL IS A TEAM SPORT! Teams that understand that win SB, like the Patriots used to do & the Giants still do. Teams that don't understand that don't win SBs.
    Yeeeeep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thnikkaman View Post
    I'd also be more reasonable if I wasn't on day 5 of this godawful cold. I got some nasal spray over lunch and I no longer feel like I've got 40psi in my sinuses.
    I feel for ya Thnik. Having a cold for that long sucks. I've had a mild cold for the last three or four days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thnikkaman View Post
    Opinions are like ******** North. I have a hard time rooting for any player out of Michigan.

    That being said, I bet 70% of the quarterbacks that started a game in the NFL in 2012 would be successful in Billachick's offense. Brady is considered elite because he is surrounded by elite play makers.
    wait... like whom?
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    Brady is elite, but I think he's fallen out of the conversation as GOAT with these losses. That team already has asterisks on their SB wins...

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