Bets on how many ballots before Bonds gets in?
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Bitter Clinger. Deal with it.
Sosa is eligible next year too
I know that Larkin stole the MVP, but Smith stole gold gloves from Larkin when he had more errors and a worse fielding percentage.
I just love the guy. Damn near cried when I found out about it.
Other than that, my opinion on Larkin is skewed a bit. I grew up watching the smartest SS ever play the game and do it every single day. I liked Larkin, but it always bothered me that he was ALWAYS injured. His numbers arent the greatest ever, but what he meant to his team is what makes him HoF worthy to me.
As far as fielding. Larkin had a career .975...Ozzie was at .978
Rip was .979
I understand, but look at Ozzie's numbers in the last half of his career for fielding and then look at Larkin.
Larkin also had nine silver slugger awards. All three of those guys were phenoms.
You tell me how many times he only played 60-80 games.
Three times not counting his rookie year.
Out of 19 years. He hit 295 for his career, that's good in ANY era for a career average.
I love you to death, but we've had these conversations before, and you have some really strange and inaccurate views on Larkin. Look how many more errors Ripken has compared to him. I know you can counter with he played more games, but I can counter that with he also played more games hurt, and there are a lot of people who say Ripken hurt his team at times while on the streak.
As far as Ozzie goes, Larkin has a strong case. Larkin got robbed of gold gloves on Ozzie during several years where he had a better percentage and less errors. Ozzie benefited from being flashy and he couldn't hit for shit.
As far as Rip hurting his team...I'll ask the same question I ask anyone else. Who was on the roster that was a better option?...even during his worst slumps. And compared to most SS's of the era...his numbers were still better.
And coincidentally...his worst offensive seasons were also some of his best defensive seasons.
Coach, I don't disagree with you, but unless you are an ultra-elite all-time player your career can and will be nitpicked.
If you are an elite fielder of all time, and Larkin is AND you have 9 silver slugger awards, you are a hall of famer. I don't think he was a first ballot hall of fame guy, but he is easily a Hall of Famer.
Edgar Martinez is still twiddling his thumbs while stalled in the 30-something percent range.
Glad Barry made it...
but man, at some point I'd like to see NL voters get over their abject terror of the DH position and actually vote for it like any other lineup position. Do 1B need to hit more than 2B to get in the HOF? Sure. Why? Because positionally their glove isn't worth much so bigger guys can play the position.
Any hitter can play DH since by default glovework is not an issue, so only the very best hitters should get in. I understand that.
*sighs* Just vote for DH with those principles in mind, and maybe the guy with the 5th best OBP ALL-TIME for RH hitters might one day make it into the hall.
DH is a position. A crappy one, but it's legitimate.
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