Thread: Patriots and Chiefs seek to speak to McDaniels

Just because Lloyd wants to go where McD does, doesn't mean he goes where McD does. Plus, KC just drafted Baldwin (which has looked really really good at times), as well as signed Breaston just last offseason. Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Mako (?)(their TE that was injured this year), McCluster, and Charles..... I don't see room for Lloyd in KC. Not enough to give him the money he would want, or nearly the number of passes (which is why he wanted out when Denver moved to Tebow).

I don't believe Belicheck drops his OC for McD. Not until I see it happen.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

i dont like MCD beef but do you all forget bradford was hurt because of the shitty OL he had, our OL looks like gods gift compared to that OL....MCd had AJ feely and Kellen clemens to work with as well to close the season....his only 2 offensive weapons when bradford went down were lloyd and jackson....thats it.....im glad MCD isnt in denver anymore and I hated him alot for what he did, but im also objective when it comes to the NFL, and MCD in St louis had shite to work with.....apprently other teams realize this as well which is why he is still being considered. Plus brandon lloyds comments on his FA destination being where MCD is could be reason teams are interested.....dont think KC wouldnt want lloyd and bowe to add to charles and mccluster? shit we would be screwed. Think belicheck wouldnt dump chad johnson in a heart beat for lloyd who mcd would no doubt vouch for....

you da man beef but i gotta be objective on this one

Okay you won me over. Just remember this. Wherever McD leaves, they get better the next year.

Now tell me a fighter jet story.

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

Just because Lloyd wants to go where McD does, doesn't mean he goes where McD does. Plus, KC just drafted Baldwin (which has looked really really good at times), as well as signed Breaston just last offseason. Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Mako (?)(their TE that was injured this year), McCluster, and Charles..... I don't see room for Lloyd in KC. Not enough to give him the money he would want, or nearly the number of passes (which is why he wanted out when Denver moved to Tebow).

I don't believe Belicheck drops his OC for McD. Not until I see it happen.

Belicheck's OC just took the head coaching job at Penn St.

Originally Posted by BeefStew25

Okay you won me over. Just remember this. Wherever McD leaves, they get better the next year.

Now tell me a fighter jet story.

one time in afghanistan

Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest

Belicheck's OC just took the head coaching job at Penn St.

You are right.. I missed that. I didn't realize. I now understand why McD's name is connected to Belicheck and the Patriots.

rav i get you dont like lloyd, but he is a FA and mcd loves him the chances are very high what i said happens regardless of your feelings about lloyd.....Lloyd just played for 5 different qb's this year and still avg 70 yds a game......teams will want him even KC with baldwin, even the patriots.....it is very likely....those 2 are entwined at the hip....lol

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

rav i get you dont like lloyd, but he is a FA and mcd loves him the chances are very high what i said happens regardless of your feelings about lloyd.....Lloyd just played for 5 different qb's this year and still avg 70 yds a game......teams will want him even KC with baldwin, even the patriots.....it is very likely....those 2 are entwined at the hip....lol

There is a difference in what you are saying and reality. A couple things have to happen. 1, the team that hires McD has to want Lloyd. Two, they will have to be willing to PAY Lloyd the money he wants, or, Lloyd will have to be willing to accept the money that is offered to him. Not to mention, since Lloyd is a FA, he can select the team he goes to. If he sees a crowded team, with a lack-luster QB behind center, that may not be the situation he wants to put himself in.

NE, on the other hand, would seem like the ideal spot to go, McD or no McD. Taking over for the complete joke of Ocho, would be a perfect fit. Although NE isn't a team that is willing to pay top dollar for any individual FA. Lloyd is probably looking for MONEY more than anything else being that he's at the end of his career, won't get another shot at another contract, and isn't going to be a "remembered" kind of talent. Although, playing with Brady is always a plus for any WR.

KC has a crowded WR corp and a mediocre QB at best. KC isn't a team known for spending BIG money on FA's to begin with, and Piolli certainly isn't one to spend big money on any players, especially a WR that isn't in the prime age of his career.


Can those things happen, absolutely! But liking or disliking Lloyd doesn't take away from those factors. Lloyd wanted to be sure to go to a situation that showcased his skills so he could get a fat payday this coming FA year. He's not simply going to accept any offer purely to follow McD.

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

There is a difference in what you are saying and reality. A couple things have to happen. 1, the team that hires McD has to want Lloyd. Two, they will have to be willing to PAY Lloyd the money he wants, or, Lloyd will have to be willing to accept the money that is offered to him. Not to mention, since Lloyd is a FA, he can select the team he goes to. If he sees a crowded team, with a lack-luster QB behind center, that may not be the situation he wants to put himself in.

NE, on the other hand, would seem like the ideal spot to go, McD or no McD. Taking over for the complete joke of Ocho, would be a perfect fit. Although NE isn't a team that is willing to pay top dollar for any individual FA. Lloyd is probably looking for MONEY more than anything else being that he's at the end of his career, won't get another shot at another contract, and isn't going to be a "remembered" kind of talent. Although, playing with Brady is always a plus for any WR.

KC has a crowded WR corp and a mediocre QB at best. KC isn't a team known for spending BIG money on FA's to begin with, and Piolli certainly isn't one to spend big money on any players, especially a WR that isn't in the prime age of his career.


Can those things happen, absolutely! But liking or disliking Lloyd doesn't take away from those factors. Lloyd wanted to be sure to go to a situation that showcased his skills so he could get a fat payday this coming FA year. He's not simply going to accept any offer purely to follow McD.

his own statement about FA was im gonna see where Josh goes and take it from there.....

I'm beginning to think more and more that McD will return to NE.

I bet he had conversations with Belichick where he admitted becoming an HC in Denver was a big mistake 'cuz he wasn't ready. I bet he told Bill he wished he stayed in NE.

I hear people say McD returning full circle to NE is not a good career move. I say its his best move. NE is his best chance of success and if he does well owners and GM's won't care about what happened in Denver or St. Louis.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

The only defense I'll offer McD is that the Rams OL is horrible, Bradford was injured, the receiving corps outside of Lloyd is weak. The only positive is Jackson and with him...I'll go back to the OL issues.

You can plug in the most sure fire, high scoring offense ever created, but if no one is there to execute...it will fail.

Now...i wont say he'll be a success anywhere else...but I find it hard to judge him or even blame him based on what happened in STL

Most objective post here. Good job, coach.

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Originally Posted by CoachChaz

I still fail to see where this lies on the shoulders of a coach. If my best player and the centerpiece of my offense goes down and the replacement has nowhere the same skill level, then I pretty much have to completely revamp and change the entire philosophy I had in place and therefore...I'm not really doing the job i came to do.

It's interesting. Dawkins goes down and our secondary play is blamed on his absence. Why arent we calling for Allen's head for not adapting? I guess it's only because his name isnt McDaniels.

Again...not defending him because I think he was a horrible HC that got in over his head. But to blame an OC for an underachieving OL and QB injuries? That's grasping for straws.

Another example is last year, when there was no Doom.

Quite funny, the hypocrisy.

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Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

Just because Lloyd wants to go where McD does, doesn't mean he goes where McD does. Plus, KC just drafted Baldwin (which has looked really really good at times), as well as signed Breaston just last offseason. Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Mako (?)(their TE that was injured this year), McCluster, and Charles..... I don't see room for Lloyd in KC. Not enough to give him the money he would want, or nearly the number of passes (which is why he wanted out when Denver moved to Tebow).

I don't believe Belicheck drops his OC for McD. Not until I see it happen.

Belicek doesnt have an OC.

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Lloyd would love love love NE. Brady? McD? Serious?

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Originally Posted by rcsodak

Lloyd would love love love NE. Brady? McD? Serious?

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So go root for them and leave us alone (yes, I just played the fan card, sue me).

Jeebus, even I recognize what a disaster McDaniels' second year in Denver was. Wake up.

It would be interesting if McDaniels went to the Chiefs.

1. He'd take over the offense, right after Haley was fired .... Haley, the guy who pointed accussingly at him. This should feel like some form of redemption for him.

2. He has a chance to have not one, but two of his QBs of choice ... Cassel and Orton.

3. He gets to face the Broncos at least twice every season, so that should strengthen the rivalry, with everything that went down with McDaniels and the Broncos.

The problem with McDaniels is he believes that his system is greater than the players, so that makes him choose players that fit his system, instead of fitting a system to special players. He does not know how to adapt; very inflexible.