Thread: Fox: Broncos passing woes "not just the quarterback"

While Denver needs everybody to step up for Sunday afternoon's wild-card round playoff home game against Pittsburgh, Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow comes off his lowest quarterback rating (20.6) of the season.

Tebow completed just 6-for-22 passes for 60 yards with an interception in the 7-3 loss to Kansas City. But don't pin that all on Tebow, Broncos coach John Fox said.

"There's a lot of moving parts to the pass game," Fox said today during his regularly scheduled Monday briefing with the media. "You've got protection, route, timing. You have to throw the ball sometimes to tight windows.

rest - http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19660446

Tight windows, and partially closed windows.
And hey....maybe not running backwards.....

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For some reason, our O line is just terrible. The receivers are as bad as they have been all year, but there is NO protection for Tim. I have noticed also that Tim seems very hesitant at running now, almost like he is being told to not run regardless of what he sees. To throw the ball or hand off. It severely limits what they and he can do. Tim has a long way to go, but I see a lot of seemingly limitations on TT that were not there during the "run"...

JMO

Originally Posted by rjent

For some reason, our O line is just terrible. The receivers are as bad as they have been all year, but there is NO protection for Tim. I have noticed also that Tim seems very hesitant at running now, almost like he is being told to not run regardless of what he sees. To throw the ball or hand off. It severely limits what they and he can do. Tim has a long way to go, but I see a lot of seemingly limitations on TT that were not there during the "run"...

JMO

A lot of that hesitation to run is because of how he's now being defensed. Teams are more interested in keeping him in the pocket than trying to sack him. I remember one play yesterday where there was a safety to Tim's left. He didn't have anybody blocking him, but instead of coming at Tim he held his ground at the LoS which kept Tebow in the pocket. The idea is to not give him any running lanes and make him throw. He's not running because he has nowhere to go and he can't make teams pay with his arm. I thought he was getting to the point where he could, but he's taken a big step back.

Originally Posted by spikerman

A lot of that hesitation to run is because of how he's now being defensed. Teams are more interested in keeping him in the pocket than trying to sack him. I remember one play yesterday where there was a safety to Tim's left. He didn't have anybody blocking him, but instead of coming at Tim he held his ground at the LoS which kept Tebow in the pocket. The idea is to not give him any running lanes and make him throw. He's not running because he has nowhere to go and he can't make teams pay with his arm. I thought he was getting to the point where he could, but he's taken a big step back.

You may be right, but I saw two occasions of an absolute open center of the field that he would probably would have run at least 15 yards or so, started to run then stopped and by then the pressure was on, missed opportunity. I will watch the game again and maybe see something else, but that was my reaction at the time ...

You've got "coaching" too, or, lack thereof in this situation.

Originally Posted by rjent

For some reason, our O line is just terrible. The receivers are as bad as they have been all year, but there is NO protection for Tim. I have noticed also that Tim seems very hesitant at running now, almost like he is being told to not run regardless of what he sees. To throw the ball or hand off. It severely limits what they and he can do. Tim has a long way to go, but I see a lot of seemingly limitations on TT that were not there during the "run"...

JMO

Dude one point they held the pocket for over 10 seconds, I was counting. It a timing passing game and Tebow needs to get rid of the ball on the 3 and 5 step drops. There is protection, but it will break down when the QB holds the ball to long.

Originally Posted by rjent

For some reason, our O line is just terrible. The receivers are as bad as they have been all year, but there is NO protection for Tim. I have noticed also that Tim seems very hesitant at running now, almost like he is being told to not run regardless of what he sees. To throw the ball or hand off. It severely limits what they and he can do. Tim has a long way to go, but I see a lot of seemingly limitations on TT that were not there during the "run"...

JMO

During the "run" teams did not stay in their lanes, use containment on the outside, and provide pressure up the middle, and Tebow took advantage of it.

However, as we seen the last 3 weeks teams have done just the opposite and have forced Tebow to beat them with his arm. And consequently Tebow has yet to show that he can win games with his ARM.

I need to watch the game again, but sitting in the stands, I didn't see many open receivers on those plays where he was running around or got sacked.

Eh, there was a play at the beggining of the game where Decker was wide open and Tebow didn't even see it and had all freakin day. I dunno. Say what you want but the fact is Tebow needs to start seeing the whole field. You don't get guys wide open like that all they time. When that happens you need to get the ball there. Period.

You know it might help if you weren't so predictable.
run, run, pass,
run, run, pass
run, run, pass

Originally Posted by TimHippo

You know it might help if you weren't so predictable.
run, run, pass,
run, run, pass
run, run, pass

bad things happen whenever we waver from that formula.

Like Fox said, it's on the whole offense. Just as much on Tim as the rest. Holding it too long, receivers not getting open, shitty play calls, bad throws, etc.

Originally Posted by Davii

Like Fox said, it's on the whole offense. Just as much on Tim as the rest. Holding it too long, receivers not getting open, shitty play calls, bad throws, etc.

More has to go on the QB imo. Not on Tebow, but on the QB. Just the nature of the animal.

That doesn't forgive the other 10 guys their sins, but the success/failure of an offense always starts, and sometimes ends, with the QB.

Originally Posted by bcbronc

More has to go on the QB imo. Not on Tebow, but on the QB. Just the nature of the animal.

That doesn't forgive the other 10 guys their sins, but the success/failure of an offense always starts, and sometimes ends, with the QB.

I agree. But here's the rub, if he gets more blame for a bad offense you can't cry foul when the fanbois give more credit than deserved. Works both ways.