Thread: Maclin or Jenkins?

I think the upside and the health is with Brown. I also wouldn't say that Orakpo played against that much better competition, if better at all. Big 12 was up, but the ACC was pretty deep as well. Neither are the SEC, which is where the top talent is. That being said, if ya look at the OT prospects in this draft, there are as many from the ACC (Monroe, UVA; Reynolds, UNC; Gardner, GT) than in the Big12 (Smith, Baylor; Loadholt, OU). Add to that the demonstration Brown put on vs a very good Wisconsin OLine and I'll give him the edge in the eye and competition level test. At least IMHO.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Orakpo has maybe one pass-rushing move. He also sucks horribly against the run.

I wouldnt go so far as to say Brown is ALOT better, but he does have a little bit better skill set. Personally, I really dont see what makes Orakpo a top 10 pick.

UT does a great job of getting talent HS players and even physical developing them. What Mack Brown and his staff don't do is teach the techinque that talent needs at the NFL level to be successful. A guy like Orakpo, teams are going to need to make the decision does his physical attributes make up for lack of techinque and do they have time to teach him the right skills sets to be NFL player. With 1st round money that isn't the easiet thing to do.

PS - I know UT fanbase is going to be up in arms with my post, get over it.

Originally Posted by elsid13

PS - I know UT fanbase is going to be up in arms with my post, get over it.

As a UT fan, I have no issue with this post.

ROCKY TOP !!!!

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

I think the upside and the health is with Brown. I also wouldn't say that Orakpo played against that much better competition, if better at all. Big 12 was up, but the ACC was pretty deep as well. Neither are the SEC, which is where the top talent is. That being said, if ya look at the OT prospects in this draft, there are as many from the ACC (Monroe, UVA; Reynolds, UNC; Gardner, GT) than in the Big12 (Smith, Baylor; Loadholt, OU). Add to that the demonstration Brown put on vs a very good Wisconsin OLine and I'll give him the edge in the eye and competition level test. At least IMHO.

Brown had 1 sack during the Wisconsin game. Don't know how many hurries. But Wisconsin gave up 30 sack all year. Not very good when you look at the Oklahoma game where Orakpo had 2 sacks and Oklahoma gave up less then 15 I believe all year. Again I believe he played against better competition and did it consistently.

Originally Posted by broncohead

Brown had 1 sack during the Wisconsin game. Don't know how many hurries. But Wisconsin gave up 30 sack all year. Not very good when you look at the Oklahoma game where Orakpo had 2 sacks and Oklahoma gave up less then 15 I believe all year. Again I believe he played against better competition and did it consistently.

Brown was all over the place vs Wisconsin. The single sack isn't a good indicator of how dominant he was. I have no issue w/ Orakpo. Just think Brown will be th better pro.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Brown was all over the place vs Wisconsin. The single sack isn't a good indicator of how dominant he was. I have no issue w/ Orakpo. Just think Brown will be th better pro.

It was a comment on your comment that he played against a good OL and did well I made the comment on a better OL and a better performence.

I'd love to draft Jenkins and make him into an allpro Safety for the next 10 years.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Orakpo has maybe one pass-rushing move. He also sucks horribly against the run.

I wouldnt go so far as to say Brown is ALOT better, but he does have a little bit better skill set. Personally, I really dont see what makes Orakpo a top 10 pick.

I agree... I think Brown is a lot better though, Brown is so polished as a pass rusher coming out of college its not even funny..... he uses his hands very well, has that spin move on lock down.... hes also Quick enough to dip that shoulder to get passed that OT with speed, along with being strong enough to use that shoulder rip to over power an offensive lineman

Originally Posted by MissouriBronc

Then, one of Brian Cushing, Aaron Maybin, Aaron Curry would probably still be on the board.

If none of those three were available, so 7 of the top 11 were defensive players...that would mean, Crabtree might still be there...shit...at 12...take him...

Aaron Curry will not. He's a top 10 pick. Cushing is gonna pull a Matt Jones and get busted for the nose candy before too long. Maybin is the only real/smart possibility in your post.

Give me Maclin everyday of the week and twice on Sunday's. Malcolm Jenkins is just another overrated player from OSU that is destined to bust.

Originally Posted by West

Malcolm Jenkins is just another overrated player from OSU that is destined to bust.

like nick mangold, will smith, donte whitner, chris gamble, anthony gonzalez, aj hawk, michael jenkins and super bowl MVP santonio holmes? yea, you can name the busts, too. . . and i can name you a dozen or more from USC in the past five years-- that mean we shouldn't be interested in maualuga, cushing, or clay matthews? wrong. . .

every big school produces busts. . . but look at the DBs ohio state has produced over the past decade or so. . . gamble, whitner, nate clements, shawn springs, antoine winfield-- that's some quality! OSU produces bigtime pro DBs, and jenkins is one of the finest prospects they've had. . .


i will never understand why you guys get so excited over these receiver/return specialist types as high first round picks. . . hell, i wouldn't spend a top fifteen pick on one of 'em if we DIDN'T have two excellent starting receivers and a dynamic tight end, let alone when we do! every year you can find speed receiver/RS guys in the second round. . . last year some people were advocating desean jackson in the 1st, and dude was still there when we picked in the 2nd! and we got a player in the same mold that i like better at that pick. . .

luckily, i have about zero fear that mcdaniels will have any interest in maclin at # 12. . . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

like nick mangold, will smith, donte whitner, chris gamble, anthony gonzalez, aj hawk, michael jenkins and super bowl MVP santonio holmes? yea, you can name the busts, too. . . and i can name you a dozen or more from USC in the past five years-- that mean we shouldn't be interested in maualuga, cushing, or clay matthews? wrong. . .

every big school produces busts. . . but look at the DBs ohio state has produced over the past decade or so. . . gamble, whitner, nate clements, shawn springs, antoine winfield-- that's some quality! OSU produces bigtime pro DBs, and jenkins is one of the finest prospects they've had. . .


i will never understand why you guys get so excited over these receiver/return specialist types as high first round picks. . . hell, i wouldn't spend a top fifteen pick on one of 'em if we DIDN'T have two excellent starting receivers and a dynamic tight end, let alone when we do! every year you can find speed receiver/RS guys in the second round. . . last year some people were advocating desean jackson in the 1st, and dude was still there when we picked in the 2nd! and we got a player in the same mold that i like better at that pick. . .

luckily, i have about zero fear that mcdaniels will have any interest in maclin at # 12. . . .

Touche. Maybe I was a little too brash and exaggerated my arguement.. But Jenkins is still overrated.

Originally Posted by West

Touche. Maybe I was a little too brash and exaggerated my arguement.. But Jenkins is still overrated.

I remember when Whitner came out there were people that said he's overrated and even laughed at Bills for drafting him so high but he has turned out to be prettty good.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

I remember when Whitner came out there were people that said he's overrated and even laughed at Bills for drafting him so high but he has turned out to be prettty good.

Just an opinion. IMO he struggled in his Thorpe Award season. (EB should have ran away with that title)

I personally think he isn't fast enough to play corner but he's not physical enough to play safety. He's a tweener.