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    Default Lancane's Updated Mock Draft *No Free Agency or Trades*

    A lot of people have been asking me to do a mock draft with the picks we have, instead of showing possible trades which could happen but are not likely…I said I would do so, but I also think there is a possibility that we stick to the 4-3 defensive scheme, therefore I have two mocks, one in regards to the 3-4, another the 4-3...

    Lancane’s 3-4 Mock Draft -

    Rnd 1. Tyson Jackson - Defensive End - Louisiana State (Reach)

    Denver will likely target Raji, Curry, Brown and Maualuga with the 12th overall pick, especially if they are going to the 3-4, he could be available. The issue is that there is a high possibility that not one of the four is available when Denver is on the clock, and so does Denver nab one of the two top tailbacks?, cornerbacks?, maybe even reach for a someone else such as Maybin? And in the end I think Denver will have a tough choice with this pick, Orakpo will be a target of Buffalo if he is still available and if Sanchez is gone, I think they take Maualuga.

    Jackson is considered a legit first round pick, but latter first. Right now his draft position resides solely upon himself. If Jackson has stellar numbers at the combine I think he rockets into a Top 20 grade easily. Being that he is the best true 3-4 defensive end in the draft already makes him a targeted commodity among 3-4 defensive teams. Denver who is likely to switch to the 3-4, though they lack the manpower would be far better off with T.J. on their roster. Fans will not like the pick, “Too damn early”, “I like this kid better”, but in all honesty, Jackson has as much a shot becoming Denver’s pick at this spot then say Raji, Curry or Brown. He automatically upgrades a defensive line in serious need of talent.

    Rnd 2. Ron Brace - Nose Tackle - Boston College (Reach)

    Denver will watch over hyped Raji go quickly in the first, and if they plan to build a capable 3-4 defensive unit, they need to secure the trenches first and foremost and Brace is a great option at this spot. He would likely go in the mid to latter second round, but Denver can ill afford to risk him being drafted elsewhere. Brace is a true nose tackle, a large difference to Raji who had been replaced at the nose position by Brace this past season at Boston College. And I feel Brace wants to prove himself to the league and to himself, and if so…then Denver could get a steal here with this pick, because I believe Brace is tired of being in Raji’s hyped up shadow. A lot of Denver fans believe Raji is the best nose in the draft, sadly he is not really a nose tackle but a 3-technique defensive tackle who played at the nose position and replaced this season for reasons unspecified.

    Rnd 3. Connor Barwin - Outside Linebacker (DE) - Cincinnati (Steal)

    Someone is bound to fall, Barwin will undoubtedly be one likely candidate with Johnson, Kruger, Maybin, Stintim and a few others ahead of him on the charts. This is a good place for Denver to grab some balance to the reaches they had to make in order to fill positions of need. With the likelihood that Denver is switching to a 3-4 defensive base scheme, they need linebackers, particularly outside rushing linebackers; Moss and Dumervile will get a fair chance, Barwin however would be a wise addition. Larsen, Williams, Woodyard and Koutividas give Denver some security with their corps., but they will undoubtedly need to add a few with the draft.

    Rnd 4. Javon Ringer - Running Back - Michigan State (Steal)

    Oh no…not offense, but the thing is that as the combine and draft approaches we see that tailbacks are dropping, even the two best in the draft are falling and not because of lack of skill. Ringer who is shorter and stouter then others available and give that he will probably have a mediocre time in the 40 yard dash, his stock will fall. He may be gone before this pick, but I fully expect with the likes of Jennings, Greene, Brown, Johnson and others that it thins out, particularly if they have good numbers at the combine. McDaniels has stated that they need to fix the offense as well as the defense and no sane coach walks into a new season with a stable that was so injury plagued that it actually had seven backs go down and nearly a different starter each week.

    Ringer will remind people of Frank Gore, he will not bedazzle with flashing speed, but his ball handling skills, patience to find the hole, his power and field of vision, along with his receiving skills will put him on McDaniel’s list for what is likely to be a spread offense based scheme. I also mentioned before that Ringer has a leg up…McDaniels coached at Michigan State and it is no secret that Turner is a former Big Ten coach as well.

    Rnd 5. Chip Vaughn - Safety - Wake Forest (Value)

    Denver has been in need of safety help for awhile, even long before the Immortal John Lynch had been released. I fully expect Denver to look to free agency to nab a starting safety to fill one of the positions. But they need to add players who could eventually start or give them rotational depth. Vaughn is a hard hitting safety with good ball skills. Though his numbers declined a bit as a senior they were none the less, still impressive. He is a bit raw, has great upside and decent speed, another plus is that he can play either position, though he is a natural free safety he will probably transition to a strong safety in the NFL. I like this kid’s attitude towards his team and his family values in whole, a great addition with this pick.

    Rnd 5. Daniel Holtzclaw - Inside Linebacker - Eastern Michigan (Steal)

    Holtzclaw is one of the most underrated athletes of this year’s draft. One of the bright spots on a very mediocre Eagles squad. He has started every game of his collegiate career and ended up having a stellar season which saw him notch 107 tackles, 4.5 for a loss; his junior year was even better and saw him rack up a jaw dropping 125 tackles and two interceptions. Holtzclaw is a tough competitor who knows how to get after the ball carrier, he has good range and great natural ability, a little on the stout side at 6-1, 245lbs., even then he will likely be a great inside linebacker in the NFL, especially if he goes to a team who will utilize him and in that sense, Denver would be the ideal home for him. Another plus for Denver is that Holtzclaw has been looked to as the vocal leader of the Eagle’s defense since his sophomore year and since the loss of Al Wilson the team has not had a continual on and off the field defensive general and Daniel brings that ability along with the rest of his skills.

    Rnd 6. Patrick Turner - Tight End (WR) - USC (Value)

    Turner whose size and ability screams Tight End will go to a team where that is a big possibility and Denver is among them. Fans will compare him to Shannon Sharpe as far as a physical specimen. Turner will not blow anyone away with his forty times, nor likely with his other numbers…but he will impress them with his intellect, demeanor and attitude toward the game. As a senior Patrick Turner notched 49 catches, 741 yards and 10 scores, with 15.2 YPC average. Some teams may look to add Turner simply as a possession receiver, but Denver needs Tight End help, Scheffler has been impressive at times but is hampered by injury and Graham is a better blocker then a receiver and Turner would be a good option at this spot to add and give Cutler an added option in McDaniel’s spread offense.

    Rnd 6. Louis Vasquez - Offensive Guard - Texas Tech (Value)

    A lot of Denver fans seem hell bent on Denver going after a center, overlooking the fact Denver is impressed with Lichtensteiger who was just drafted in the last draft. They want to slowly groom him behind Weigmann if at all possible and fans are giving up on the kid way to quick. But Denver’s dilemma will be that next year both Kuper and Hamilton will be free agents, and while Hamilton has done well, it is more then likely that Kuper who is tight with Cutler and company is the one re-signed. Hamilton will be offered top dollar on the market, that is where Vasquez enters the picture…not only does he bring valuable depth, but he was part of one of the best offenses and offensive lines in college football. He is a tad bigger then the usual guards Denver goes after, but he is leaner because of his height and for a big man he has good quickness and even better feet. Not to mention before he was injured he was considered one of the top guards in America, last year he only allowed a single sack; Cutler would be lucky to have Vasquez and Clady watching his blindside.

    Rnd 7. Zach Potter - Defensive End - Nebraska (Value)

    Denver needs depth, and while there is no safe bets in the latter part of the draft, there are those that now and then become far more; Denver knows this well. Sharpe, Nalen, Davis, Larsen, Hillis just to name a few. Potter has a lot of upside, great raw athletic ability and he is a true 3-4 defensive end. But he is a project pick as well, he lacks the footwork and overall quickness to be dominant, but those can be trained and coached into him. And Denver has one of the best in the NFL in Dunnely coaching the defensive line and it would be worth the risk to take another young kid who could provide depth if not be a steal for the team in the end…

    4-3 Mock Draft will be posted soon...
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    Good players, but reaching that high for Jackson and Brace (IMO) skew the value; but need based it is good. I'd like a returner/WR though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cicero View Post
    Good players, but reaching that high for Jackson and Brace (IMO) skew the value; but need based it is good. I'd like a returner/WR though.
    If Jackson puts up the numbers I think he will at the combine, then I expect him to launch his draft grade to 'Top 20' and he could go as high as 'Top 15', if he clocks a 4.7, has a decent vertical and benches well, then I say it will be top 20...but if he has a stellar combine, then he could easily launch himself into the top 15 and Denver will likely take him. As I said a reach, but San Diego and New York (J) may target him in the mid-teens.

    Brace is a given because I think they will not risk not finding a nose, if we are switching to the 3-4. Plus there is a possibility that Denver looks to sign a return specialist outside the draft to utilize picks on need. That is my opinion of course.
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    . . . but why would you draft a TE unless he fell into the "steal" category?

    My goodness, with Graham and Scheffler, and throw in Nate (regardless of
    what Dream thinks), Putzier, and Mustard, and the Broncos have the best in
    the business, overall, IMO.

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    I like it Lan. But i am calling it now. Brace will not make it to our 2nd rd pick. He is going to go in the first rd this year....Is he worth it? F-no, but watch and see. But i would love is to take him with our 2nd and i hope it works out that way.
    The Plan at the moment:

    Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).

    Players I want:
    Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
    Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
    Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell

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    Quote Originally Posted by topscribe View Post
    . . . but why would you draft a TE unless he fell into the "steal" category?

    My goodness, with Graham and Scheffler, and throw in Nate (regardless of
    what Dream thinks), Putzier, and Mustard, and the Broncos have the best in
    the business, overall, IMO.

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    Graham is a better blocker then receiver; Scheffler is knocked out cold near a quarter of the time. Then you add Putzier who will not likely make it long, Jackson is likely toast without Shanahan here and Mustard? I think you are giving these kids too much credit top. Turner is a tweener, possession receiver who can translate into the tight end position. We have to remember this is no longer Shanahan's offense, it will be replaced with the spread which focuses on spreading the ball and Denver will want more weapons then usual. He gives Denver a fifth or sixth option in what will likely be an MVP type season for Cutler.
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    If our 4 targets are gone, then I's assume that means Malcolm Jenkins is still there and I jump all over him. Bly hasnt been great and both he and Champ arent getting any younger. Nabbing another shutdown corner would be alright with me. I'd definately go that route before I reached and picked up a 3-4 DE.

    Any team that selects Brace before the 4th is insane. I might change that to the 3rd based on limited talent at NT, but the guy totally lived on the heels of Raji. See if you can find game film on Youtube on Brace or even Raji and watch Brace. Not impressive. I'd take Taylor before Brace.

    Barwin is overrated...plain and simple. An undersized DE that can't play the run. Sorry, but we already have 2 of those on the roster. Let him play TE somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachChaz View Post
    If our 4 targets are gone, then I's assume that means Malcolm Jenkins is still there and I jump all over him. Bly hasnt been great and both he and Champ arent getting any younger. Nabbing another shutdown corner would be alright with me. I'd definately go that route before I reached and picked up a 3-4 DE.

    Any team that selects Brace before the 4th is insane. I might change that to the 3rd based on limited talent at NT, but the guy totally lived on the heels of Raji. See if you can find game film on Youtube on Brace or even Raji and watch Brace. Not impressive. I'd take Taylor before Brace.

    Barwin is overrated...plain and simple. An undersized DE that can't play the run. Sorry, but we already have 2 of those on the roster. Let him play TE somewhere.
    First off Jenkins would be a wasted pick, Bly and Bailey will both likely return with re-worked contracts. We have too much tied up at the corner position as is, and Jenkins would be costly and a useless pick while the line suffers. Football is won in the trenches not in the secondary! Even with people saying he could play safety, that is opinionative. Remember they said Couch and Leaf could play quarterback and I guess they were wrong...

    Brace is better then that and even a blind man could tell you that. Raji was replaced as Boston's nose tackle because of unspecified reasons, but it could be because unlike over hyped Raji he can actually succeed in taking on more then one superior blocker...lol. And Taylor, what a joke...he is trying to lose weight to be a 4-3 defensive tackle in the NFL, his own words. Even then he has admitted he has no stamina with the weight and can never finish a game...no thanks.

    Barwin has been impressive, given he sometimes takes plays off...but overall he has done quite well. He gives Denver depth and someone sitting behind Moss and sorry, but Dumervile will not be an outside rushing linebacker, he would be done IMHO if we switch to the 3-4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancane View Post
    Graham is a better blocker then receiver; Scheffler is knocked out cold near a quarter of the time. Then you add Putzier who will not likely make it long, Jackson is likely toast without Shanahan here and Mustard? I think you are giving these kids too much credit top. Turner is a tweener, possession receiver who can translate into the tight end position. We have to remember this is no longer Shanahan's offense, it will be replaced with the spread which focuses on spreading the ball and Denver will want more weapons then usual. He gives Denver a fifth or sixth option in what will likely be an MVP type season for Cutler.
    Well, if you're going with offense, I would rather see OG/C. Behind Wiegmann
    and Hamilton, both who are aging, they have Lichtensteiger and . . . um . . .

    I know you have an OG the next pick, but that far down, the bust possibility
    is greater, so numbers become more important. Besides, you can't have too
    many quality O-linemen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancane View Post
    First off Jenkins would be a wasted pick, Bly and Bailey will both likely return with re-worked contracts. We have too much tied up at the corner position as is, and Jenkins would be costly and a useless pick while the line suffers. Football is won in the trenches not in the secondary! Even with people saying he could play safety, that is opinionative. Remember they said Couch and Leaf could play quarterback and I guess they were wrong...

    Brace is better then that and even a blind man could tell you that. Raji was replaced as Boston's nose tackle because of unspecified reasons, but it could be because unlike over hyped Raji he can actually succeed in taking on more then one superior blocker...lol. And Taylor, what a joke...he is trying to lose weight to be a 4-3 defensive tackle in the NFL, his own words. Even then he has admitted he has no stamina with the weight and can never finish a game...no thanks.

    Barwin has been impressive, given he sometimes takes plays off...but overall he has done quite well. He gives Denver depth and someone sitting behind Moss and sorry, but Dumervile will not be an outside rushing linebacker, he would be done IMHO if we switch to the 3-4.
    This all fits in with the idea of taking the BPA. Sorry, but I dont reach for a 3-4 DE if a complete stud CB is sitting there. Bly could very well be cut and again...he and Champ wont be in their prime much longer.

    I guess I must be beyond blind because there is nothing about Brace that makes him stand out as a guaranteed 2nd round talent. if you see something I don't, please share the footage.

    Barwin is a waste. One decent season in the Big East. Even pro coaches ran him at TE. He will be no better than Doom...the same guy you just admitted will not work in a 3-4.

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    Jenkins is a great player, but don't saturate the cap situation in that area anymore. I wouldn't want to reach for Jackson either, but having good corners doesn't mean jack when you don't have the lineman up front -- and by all means, we don't.

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    i like jenkins and if we could nab him then even though its a big reach maybe we could trade champ for something.....Mind you i am not one of the trade champ people. i do not want to trade him at all, but if we lose our guys and cant trade back we take the BPA- and then trading champ makes sense.
    The Plan at the moment:

    Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).

    Players I want:
    Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
    Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
    Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell

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    I also enjoy the Turner pick. He could be a real weapon for us, and who knows if Scheffler's future in Denver is for certain. Plus, we can get rid of Nate Jackson who is a loser. Good pick Lancane. You are awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoachChaz View Post
    This all fits in with the idea of taking the BPA. Sorry, but I dont reach for a 3-4 DE if a complete stud CB is sitting there. Bly could very well be cut and again...he and Champ wont be in their prime much longer.

    I guess I must be beyond blind because there is nothing about Brace that makes him stand out as a guaranteed 2nd round talent. if you see something I don't, please share the footage.

    Barwin is a waste. One decent season in the Big East. Even pro coaches ran him at TE. He will be no better than Doom...the same guy you just admitted will not work in a 3-4.
    Bly's not going anywhere. I don't believe that. I believe he is a far better CB
    than the seemingly popular concept of him around here. Add a couple truly
    quality DLs, and all the sudden you will see an entirely different Bly.

    And maybe Paymah, Williams, and Bell are only backups at CB, but they are
    pretty good ones, and that's all they need to be.

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    Eh, at any case Denver has no business drafting a CB with the #12 pick regardless of how good Jenkins is. Not with the front seven issues we have. I wouldn't be against a nice prospect as early as round three, because I think we could use some help there as well -- but not a top pick need for us. IMHO.

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