Thread: Air France 447

I thought I would post this here. Pretty good read. Sounds like the pilots lost all sense of training.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...ce-447-6611877

Wow, what a cluster ****.

I read that on Friday... Unbelievable and scary as shit.

Originally Posted by Buff

I read that on Friday... Unbelievable and scary as shit.

Forward it to your old man.

Originally Posted by Buff

I read that on Friday... Unbelievable and scary as shit.

It is scary.

I can't believe any flight crew would be so inept. I think maybe Clay is right to be scared of flying.

Originally Posted by BeefStew25

Forward it to your old man.

That was the first thing I did... He had already read it - he's with his bros doing an old man trip in Branson. Haven't had a chance to talk to him about it yet though.

He was pretty convinced it was the pitot tubes when it first happened... But it sounds like they should have been able to overcome the initial misreadings. The thing that's crazy to me is how they probably ignored the stall warnings thinking that the plane would correct itself... That's an example of humans outsmarting ourselves with technology.

Originally Posted by slim

It is scary.

I can't believe any flight crew would be so inept. I think maybe Clay is right to be scared of flying.

Yeah, especially with one of the most elementary concepts like a stall... That's what I mean when I say we outsmarted ourselves: It's like, the one thing that should have been most obvious didn't register to them because they were so used to it being a non-issue in that aircraft.

The Airbus design hurt them also. The side stick averages the inputs from the pilots. On Boeings, they are tied into each other.

Should have never gotten to that though.

They essentially pancaked into the ocean.

******* ridiculous.

Originally Posted by BeefStew25

The Airbus design hurt them also. The side stick averages the inputs from the pilots. On Boeings, they are tied into each other.

Should have never gotten to that though.

I don't know anything about flying, but I don't see the benefit to this. I would think you would want everyone flying the plane on the same page....like maybe force them to be on the same page.

Just curious.

Originally Posted by slim

I don't know anything about flying, but I don't see the benefit to this. I would think you would want everyone flying the plane on the same page....like maybe force them to be on the same page.

Just curious.

My buddy flies an A320, and he said the plane is very antiseptic. Doesn't really let the pilots fly it past an envelope. That is why they average things I suppose.

So it sounds like the senior pilot has a lot of blame as well?

Yeah, they all do, but the pilots in command just basically forgot about basic flying fundamentals. I think the senior captain almost thought what was actually happened was nearly impossible.

The senior captain can't really shoulder the blame, he was on his scheduled rest. If anything, it's another example of budget cuts affecting flight safety - they should have another captain on board to spell the captain so that you don't have two first officers flying the plane when disaster strikes.

It's also an example of engineers outsmarting actual pilots, as something like this wouldn't have happened in a Boeing.