Thread: Shanahan, Turner in pressure cooker

Mike Shanahan and Norv Turner to be fired? Never gonna happen but it's something to read I guess.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11307158

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He used to be Mike Shanahan, master of the NFL's domain. Now he's just another beleaguered coach trying to avoid going down in history as the first man in the Super Bowl era to blow a three-game lead with three regular-season games to play.

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"I don't sleep very well after losses," Shanahan said Wednesday.

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Considering the injuries to cornerback Champ Bailey and any running back who so much as touches a football for Denver, it could be argued these young Broncos have played over their heads to win eight times.

But after blowing a big lead in the division, will the success or failure of this team be measured by whether Denver finds a way to stop the slide in San Diego?

"Absolutely," Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall said.

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The thing is, Shanahan has been playing with house money for 10 years.

Since quarterback John Elway retired a decade ago, the Broncos have won exactly one playoff game, or three fewer than the Raiders have won during the same time frame.

Lose to the Chargers and Denver would miss the postseason in three straight years for the first time since 1982.

In a disturbing recent trend of fast starts based on Shana- han's preseason preparation and innovative game-planning only to end in sputtering finishes that reveal serious talent flaws on his roster, the Broncos have lost eight of their last 13 games played during December.

For anyone other than Shanahan, that lack of production could get a coach fired.

Quite frankly, maybe Broncos owner Pat Bowlen is so indebted to a coach who won this franchise two league championships and built a shiny new stadium that there is really no such thing as a must-win game in Denver anymore.

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Nothing here no avid Broncos fan doesn't already know but with the addition of Norv Turner sharing the hot seat just adds more to the "fire Mike Shanahan" topic.

I am totally against firing Mike Shanahan BTW, there just isn't a better replacement. Although Coach Shanahan's biggest mistake which put the Broncos into this predicament was pulling out Jake Plummer too early, causing us to miss the playoffs in 2006 and firing Def. Cord. Larry Coyer that off season.

Yes, everyone is gonna dog pile me for saying we shouldn't have put Cutler in so soon but think about it. Jake Plummer would have beaten the Seahawks where Cutler lost in his 1st start. Plummer would have beaten the Niners where Cutler also lost causing us to miss the playoffs in 2006.

Yes, it's all hindsight but that is what a football forum is for, discussion.

Apparently, Kiszla is running out of things to write about.

He seems to be reaching a new low . . .

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I agree but putting Norv Turner into the pressure pot widens the perspective and gives us bored and frustrated Broncos fans something to talk about.

The truth is if Mike Shanahan coached for 31 other teams he would have been fired. I know, I know the same 'ole story, 'There's nobody to replace him with.'

Shanahan took over a 7-9 Broncos team with some talent and one of the best QBs in history. In less than 20 years, Bill Parcells has turned around three 1-15 trainwrecks into Playoff contenders and winning teams in ONE SEASON. There is no evidence Mike Shanahan can ever do something like that. None.

I can totally understand why anyone wants to keep Shanahan or fire him. I understand both sides and I am mixed on the issue. I look forward to a future with a new Coach one day, and seeing how he will try to build this team in the future. But in my opinion, he's running out of time. If he is back in 2009 and I think he will, if Denver doesn't come up big Bowen will make him resign.

By the way, the article refers to Norv Turner's job, not the Broncos' RB Coach.

Who cares about Norv Turner? That is why I edited that part out on the actual post. The link is there if you want to read the complete article.

I've seen a couple beat writers and some on ESPN saying Shanny is on the hot seat. He's not on the hottest seat though. Some say Kube's job is on the block, there's our replacement right there.

I think Andy Ried, Herm or Mangini will get the axe before Shanny. How about Wade Phillips, he should go in Dallas, just on general purpose. One thing for sure, Miami, Atlanta and Ravens are happy with their young coaches.

I'd say give Shannahan another chance with a healthy team one more season.

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Who cares about Norv Turner? That is why I edited that part out on the actual post. The link is there if you want to read the complete article.

Your OP talks as if Bobby Turner is part of the article and he isn't. IF Shanahan was the be dismissed or resign, if he didn't leave on his own he'd be one of the assistants who had a chance at being retained.

Bottom line is this,

We are on the way back up.

Get the running backs healthy,

Geat a stud d lineman,(free agent) Aaron Curry, and Louis Delmas. (Draft)

Put Woodyard at SS, Larsen at MLB.

Then tell me what Kizla has to say.

Draft role players and developmental squad nominees (for depth)

Jarron Gilbert, Nic Harris, Will Vandesteeg, Herb Donaldson, Daniel Holtzclaw, Travis McCall, Jake Ingram, Myron Pryor, Jasper Brinkley, Nate Ness.

This team had holes.

Once they are filled, they are filled.

Keep the faith.

I'm sick to death of these stories about late season collapses. We have the same record in the second half of the season that we do in the first half. It's all crap, and people like Kisla who don't do any research/thinking just perpetuate ignorance.

Bill Parcells 2 super Bowl wins and a .569 winning percentage. Mike Shanahan 2 Super Bowl wins and a .601 winning percentage. I'll take Shanny over Parcells any day.

Article doesn't refer to Bobby Turner once. Nice fabrication, NatureBoy.

Shanny's on the hot seat my ass.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

The truth is if Mike Shanahan coached for 31 other teams he would have been fired. I know, I know the same 'ole story, 'There's nobody to replace him with.'

Shanahan took over a 7-9 Broncos team with some talent and one of the best QBs in history. In less than 20 years, Bill Parcells has turned around three 1-15 trainwrecks into Playoff contenders and winning teams in ONE SEASON. There is no evidence Mike Shanahan can ever do something like that. None.

I can totally understand why anyone wants to keep Shanahan or fire him. I understand both sides and I am mixed on the issue. I look forward to a future with a new Coach one day, and seeing how he will try to build this team in the future. But in my opinion, he's running out of time. If he is back in 2009 and I think he will, if Denver doesn't come up big Bowen will make him resign.

I'm so tired of hearing these references to Parcells, and his "astounding" turnarounds.

I mean, really. How hard is it to improve a 1-15 team? There's hardly any way to get worse.

And let's look. . .since our last Superbowl appearance (the same time frame we are all lamenting), Parcells has made a grand total of 2 playoff appearance, losing the first game in the wild-card round both times.