Thread: Pat Bowlen....What Happened??

Bowlen messed up. At the time, I couldn't believe Bowlen was just handing McDaniels the keys to the kingdom, and putting his trust in him over everyone else in the organization. Did McDaniels employ some cold war personality adjustment technique to make him believe everything he said? Then the funny part was when a large majority of fans believed them too.

I think John Fox is no the right coach for the Broncos ... it's another extreme emotinal reaction from Bowlen. I think keeping Xanders and not hiring a much better GM is a mistake. Bowlen should hand the reigns to someone else. Maybe that's why John Elway is here. Hopefully, he can see things clearly and make unemotional decisions.

Originally Posted by nflfan

Bowlen messed up. At the time, I couldn't believe Bowlen was just handing McDaniels the keys to the kingdom, and putting his trust in him over everyone else in the organization. Did McDaniels employ some cold war personality adjustment technique to make him believe everything he said? Then the funny part was when a large majority of fans believed them too.

I think John Fox is no the right coach for the Broncos ... it's another extreme emotinal reaction from Bowlen. I think keeping Xanders and not hiring a much better GM is a mistake. Bowlen should hand the reigns to someone else. Maybe that's why John Elway is here. Hopefully, he can see things clearly and make unemotional decisions.

Bowlen hiring Elway is the only reason I believe this Franchise will not become an example once proud and winning franchise that has fallen on bad times such as the Bills and 49ers.

Originally Posted by atwater27

Who knows... Maybe if Josh's power was checked and checked HARD at the door, he could have been a decent coach for us. Therein lies the responsibility of Bowlen. You don't fire a proven, experienced power monger only to give the exact same power to a young, reckless and brash version.

I doubt it, that dude sucks at anything other than Power point.

Originally Posted by nflfan

Maybe that's why John Elway is here. Hopefully, he can see things clearly and make unemotional decisions.

Bowlen's family has absolutely no interest in owning the Broncos. He knows he's not long for this world and I think has been trying to find a future owner that will do right by the fans. After John retired he offered 10% of the biz to John. I think Bowlen hiring John is Bowlen's way of slowly transferring ownership to John without the legal hassles Kaiser is going to raise regarding the right of first refusal he has.

Originally Posted by The Glue Factory

Bowlen's family has absolutely no interest in owning the Broncos. He knows he's not long for this world and I think has been trying to find a future owner that will do right by the fans. After John retired he offered 10% of the biz to John. I think Bowlen hiring John is Bowlen's way of slowly transferring ownership to John without the legal hassles Kaiser is going to raise regarding the right of first refusal he has.

Any idea how he could pull that off?

I'm no lawyer and don't have any info about the agreement with Kaiser. I hope there's some kind of loophole about employee's acquiring shares of the company. If Elway acquires shares in small lots slowly (3% would make John 12% owner in 4 yrs) each acquisition might be able to bypass the right of first refusal. I'd be surprised if at some point the right of 1st refusal would kick in no matter how small the acquisition just because of the amount of total ownership involved.

I see Bowlen's actions as more than just gratitude for Elway's loyalty and service as a player. Especially after Elway's experience with owning the Denver Crush. Consider that Bowlen was part owner of that team as well. Things that make you go...

IIRC, Bowlen won the suit against Kaiser on the Firsst Right of Refusal and the appeal as well.

Originally Posted by Tned

I can't believe I wasted my time for the xth time to refute this bull shit that some people keep spewing about the McDaniels hire.

How is that different than what I posted? Read the post. Bowlen loved McDaniels enough the first time to let Ellis take over.

Also, your characterization of the second interview is off. It was well over 6 hours and wasnt just to tie up loose ends.

Finally there was this little piece from Woody Page: "Ellis, several sources say, was instrumental in getting Bowlen to agree to fire Shanahan, hire McDaniels (Ellis alone met with the new coach for a second interview) and trade Cutler."

At the end of the day I couldn't care less! I find the attack posts on Bowlen to be way off base. He has been one of the best owners in any sport. We praised, and loved, him for being a smart business man and letting the people he hired work as they saw fit when it turned into two Super Bowls. I don't see why we should stop because it didn't work with this most recent go round. I would rather have that then Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder.

Originally Posted by jhildebrand

IIRC, Bowlen won the suit against Kaiser on the Firsst Right of Refusal and the appeal as well.

From what I remember, it wasn't a win in the sense that next time he doesn't have to offer it to Kaiser, but instead that Kaiser didn't have the right to buy what had been offered to Elway, even though that offer was pulled back. Kaiser was claiming that since Bowlen offered the 10% to Elway, that even though that deal never went through, that Kaiser should have the right to buy that same 10% ad a VERY low price.

Originally Posted by cardoso

usually if a billion dollar company sinks they way we have in only two years its the ceo who gets the blame. it starts up top and bowlen is every bit responsible for this mess.

except this is sports... teams do tail off and come back again. Its a cycle of getting the better talent when you suck.

Feel free to check out other teams in this and other leagues, its quite interesting how a team can not stay on top for decades. Unless you're talking baseball where they dont cap one team paying 500 million for a team and watch the others struggle to follow with what they can afford.

Originally Posted by jhildebrand

How is that different than what I posted? Read the post. Bowlen loved McDaniels enough the first time to let Ellis take over.

Also, your characterization of the second interview is off. It was well over 6 hours and wasnt just to tie up loose ends.

Finally there was this little piece from Woody Page: "Ellis, several sources say, was instrumental in getting Bowlen to agree to fire Shanahan, hire McDaniels (Ellis alone met with the new coach for a second interview) and trade Cutler."

At the end of the day I couldn't care less! I find the attack posts on Bowlen to be way off base. He has been one of the best owners in any sport. We praised, and loved, him for being a smart business man and letting the people he hired work as they saw fit when it turned into two Super Bowls. I don't see why we should stop because it didn't work with this most recent go round. I would rather have that then Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder.

hey jhil, i'll ask again. . . who hired joe elli$?

who allows him to keep the job?

Originally Posted by hoptard

hey jhil, i'll ask again. . . who hired joe elli$?

who allows him to keep the job?

Joe Ellis was hired in 1983 to be Director of Marketing. I will presume that Edgar Kaiser hired him seeing how he owned the team in 83. Pat Bowlen wasn't introduced as a majority owner until 1984.

Joe Ellis was brought back for a second stint in 1998. I wouldn't assume Bowlen hired him because he has shown, like any good business owner, the ability to let the people he hire do their job. For all I know John Beake brought him back.

Now if the issue is the fact that Bowlen allows him to remain, fine. I am with you! If I were running the show at Pidgeon Valley, I would have had the person holding the door open for McDaniels on his way out keep holding it so Xanders and Ellis could follow.

My guess is, after this season, I will get my wish and Xanders will be gone.

Originally Posted by The Glue Factory

Bowlen's family has absolutely no interest in owning the Broncos. He knows he's not long for this world and I think has been trying to find a future owner that will do right by the fans. After John retired he offered 10% of the biz to John. I think Bowlen hiring John is Bowlen's way of slowly transferring ownership to John without the legal hassles Kaiser is going to raise regarding the right of first refusal he has.

Any idea how he could pull that off?

He wills the team to his kids (no sale) with the stipulation that they cannot sell it for X amount of time or under Y stipulations (basically not until Kaiser dies and/or John is able to get a group together to buy it).

Then John is installed as permanent head honcho/VP of whatever until that time happens, and Bowlen's kids go cash checks while John runs the franchise and they wait for Kaiser, who's 70-ish, to kick it.

It should actually be a piece of cake. More pressing is making it an organization worth owning again.

~G

Originally Posted by jhildebrand

IIRC, Bowlen won the suit against Kaiser on the Firsst Right of Refusal and the appeal as well.

lost the suit, won the appeal on the structure of the deal, but they haven't tried the deal again - John is not a 10% owner. I think after all that hassle they'll just back-door it and wait Kaiser out.

~G

Originally Posted by G_Money

lost the suit, won the appeal on the structure of the deal, but they haven't tried the deal again - John is not a 10% owner. I think after all that hassle they'll just back-door it and wait Kaiser out.

~G

You're correct. I was just coming to post the same. I am not sure it was being re-tried.