Thread: Pat Bowlen....What Happened??

Originally Posted by jhildebrand

It is 100% accurate despite your protest, TNED. Bowlen was in the first interview with McDaniels. He liked what he saw enough to not need more.

The second interview was left to Ellis. Ellis offered the position and thus made did the HIRING (knowing Bowlen was on board of course).

Sorry, that's BS. Again, it's been well reported that Bowlen made the decision following the first interview, and that the second interview was little more than a formality.

If you want to hold to the "Ellis said the words, 'it is your job if you want it,' so therefore he hired him" story, then I don't know what to say, because we are now playing outside the realm of reasonable thought and I don't tread there.

Like I said we should have hired Rex Ryan all along...

Originally Posted by jhildebrand

Pat Bowlen didn't hire McDaniels Joe Ellis did. Just sayin....

Originally Posted by jhildebrand

It is 100% accurate despite your protest, TNED. Bowlen was in the first interview with McDaniels. He liked what he saw enough to not need more.

The second interview was left to Ellis. Ellis offered the position and thus made did the HIRING (knowing Bowlen was on board of course).

who hired joe elli$?


just sayin'. . .

Originally Posted by hoptard

who hired joe elli$?


just sayin'. . .

Probably the same guy that hired McDaniels. Keep forgetting his name, but I think it sounds like bowling or something.

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Like I said we should have hired Rex Ryan all along...

And his brother as Defensive Coordinator!!!

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Like I said we should have hired Rex Ryan all along...

I wanted Leslie Frazier who was runner up. That would have been a far better hire. Cutler and Marshall along with Hillis would in all likelihood would still be here. The defense would have been addressed for three years straight now. It was easy to see then and 20/20 in hindsight.

Originally Posted by Tned

Sorry, that's BS. Again, it's been well reported that Bowlen made the decision following the first interview, and that the second interview was little more than a formality.

If you want to hold to the "Ellis said the words, 'it is your job if you want it,' so therefore he hired him" story, then I don't know what to say, because we are now playing outside the realm of reasonable thought and I don't tread there.

So that little title of Chief Operating Officer was all for show right? Despite all the reports at the time, and some since, that Ellis was all but running the entire show-Business and Football operations.

Originally Posted by jhildebrand

So that little title of Chief Operating Officer was all for show right? Despite all the reports at the time, and some since, that Ellis was all but running the entire show-Business and Football operations.

Let's reverse that. Bowlen made the trip to Boston just for 'show'? He just sat in the car so people would think he was involved? Bowlen lied to the press when he told them how impressed he was after the first interview and knew he was the guy, just for show?

Originally Posted by jhildebrand

So that little title of Chief Operating Officer was all for show right? Despite all the reports at the time, and some since, that Ellis was all but running the entire show-Business and Football operations.

I can't believe I wasted my time for the xth time to refute this bull shit that some people keep spewing about the McDaniels hire.

After saying he was "ecstatic" and "excited" and "ready" to introduce Josh McDaniels as his team's new coach, Bowlen took a seat, never to be heard from again during the official portion of Monday's news conference.

Later, it was quite clear that having given the keys to the franchise to the young prodigy, Bowlen saw no need to hover.

"The chance to get this young man was very intriguing to me. He's going to be a great, great coach," said Bowlen, who admitted that describing the process of hiring McDaniels as "enjoyable" would be "stretching it a little bit."

Not that he isn't enthralled with McDaniels. During McDaniels' initial interview, Bowlen said he spent about an hour and a half with the man who would become his new hire and was so impressed that he didn't feel it necessary to be part of the second interview. McDaniels instead met with Broncos chief operating officer Joe Ellis on Thursday as the only candidate to get a second interview.

"I think it was better that I wasn't there," Bowlen said. "If I'm not in the room, and Joe's there by himself, it's just a better situation."

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_11439184?source=pkg

The only thing I blame Bowlen for was he made the mistake of telling that young QB that he'd have a voice in the choosing of the HC and org. Both Bowlen and Ellis lost the trust of that young QB when they didn't do what they said and from there with an immature QB pissed at the organization and not giving the HC the time of day when first hired and it went downhill from there.....mind you that HC was just as immature and in over his head as we found out .

I disagree brand, I don't believe Marshall would be here regardless of the HC hired.

Every struggle this team has had over the decade or so has been a direct failing of Pat Bowlen's philosophy on running a franchise.

Originally Posted by Bosco

Every struggle this team has had over the decade or so has been a direct failing of Pat Bowlen's philosophy on running a franchise.

I have to agree, but as I stated earlier he's not football savvy owner, he's business orientated and that's why he preferred to be hands off. But it doesn't lessen the blame that should be placed on him.

People need to realize the 'He Could' scenarios in all of this; he could have stopped Shanahan earlier from having a merry-go-round of defensive coordinators; he could have hired someone other then Joe Ellis to be his right hand man; he could have gone with a different coach rather then McDaniels; he could have kept the Goodmans over Xanders; he could have stopped Cutler from being traded; he could have stopped the trade of Brandon Marshall; he could have gone with a better general manager this last time; he could of, he could of, he could of...that's what people need to realize, he's had the options to do it differently because he is the controlling owner of this organization, those hired by him, what they do in the name of the organization itself reflects on him just as much on them, that's the nature of such a business.

Originally Posted by Lancane

I have to agree, but as I stated earlier he's not football savvy owner, he's business orientated and that's why he preferred to be hands off. But it doesn't lessen the blame that should be placed on him.

People need to realize the 'He Could' scenarios in all of this; he could have stopped Shanahan earlier from having a merry-go-round of defensive coordinators; he could have hired someone other then Joe Ellis to be his right hand man; he could have gone with a different coach rather then McDaniels; he could have kept the Goodmans over Xanders; he could have stopped Cutler from being traded; he could have stopped the trade of Brandon Marshall; he could have gone with a better general manager this last time; he could of, he could of, he could of...that's what people need to realize, he's had the options to do it differently because he is the controlling owner of this organization, those hired by him, what they do in the name of the organization itself reflects on him just as much on them, that's the nature of such a business.

Yep, pretty much.

Who knows... Maybe if Josh's power was checked and checked HARD at the door, he could have been a decent coach for us. Therein lies the responsibility of Bowlen. You don't fire a proven, experienced power monger only to give the exact same power to a young, reckless and brash version.

Originally Posted by atwater27

Who knows... Maybe if Josh's power was checked and checked HARD at the door, he could have been a decent coach for us. Therein lies the responsibility of Bowlen. You don't fire a proven, experienced power monger only to give the exact same power to a young, reckless and brash version.

I'm absolutely sure that the situation would have turned out much different had Bowlen stuck to his word and got us a real GM. I'm not sure how he watched a veteran like Shanahan botch the GM job for the better part of a decade and decided that letting a guy getting his first head coaching job have the same power was a good idea, but he did, and the results were predictable.

Personally, I'm finding it hard to be optimistic as long as the same failed business model is used in Denver.