Thread: The real Orton is on full display.

Originally Posted by Day1BroncoFan

If orton was mentally tough we'd have won

We've always known that Orton is successful when the supporting cast is carrying the team and not himself.

If the season goes the way I expect and Tebow doesn't play once Orton takes us several games under .500, I'll believe you clay.

But they're basically gonna have to keep Tebow out of ALL the games if they don't want fan fallout - and they'll get fan fallout if Tebow doesn't play any games and then gets traded anyway.

It's a no-win scenario. If small sample-size (ie, Tebow having a good game or two out of 4) is the issue with fans thinking he can play, then give him a bigger sample size so that more of them understand he can't.

If he DOES succeed in the bigger sample size, then maybe he can actually succeed across multiple years and we don't need to draft a 1st round QB.

If he fails, we draft high. If he succeeds, we don't need that high draftpick for Luck anyway.

I guess if the Broncos were 100% sure that Tebow was not the man then I would expect them to play him a lot or play him not at all, funny as that sounds. Playing Orton some, and then later in the year inserting Tebow just enough to get hopes up but not enough for him to crash and burn seems stupid.

So if they don't play Tebow at all this year, then you were right. But if Tebow is the starting QB in 2 months...

I really won't understand what we're doing, other than more half-measures of trying not to commit fully to any style of rebuild.

~G

Originally Posted by G_Money

If the season goes the way I expect and Tebow doesn't play once Orton takes us several games under .500, I'll believe you clay.

But they're basically gonna have to keep Tebow out of ALL the games if they don't want fan fallout - and they'll get fan fallout if Tebow doesn't play any games and then gets traded anyway.

It's a no-win scenario. If small sample-size (ie, Tebow having a good game or two out of 4) is the issue with fans thinking he can play, then give him a bigger sample size so that more of them understand he can't.

If he DOES succeed in the bigger sample size, then maybe he can actually succeed across multiple years and we don't need to draft a 1st round QB.

If he fails, we draft high. If he succeeds, we don't need that high draftpick for Luck anyway.

I guess if the Broncos were 100% sure that Tebow was not the man then I would expect them to play him a lot or play him not at all, funny as that sounds. Playing Orton some, and then later in the year inserting Tebow just enough to get hopes up but not enough for him to crash and burn seems stupid.

So if they don't play Tebow at all this year, then you were right. But if Tebow is the starting QB in 2 months...

I really won't understand what we're doing, other than more half-measures of trying not to commit fully to any style of rebuild.

~G

If Orton bounces back and they win a couple games in the next 5 or so games, I think Orton plays until week 10 or so. If Quinn then comes in, then EFX has no intention of seeing what Tebow can do and it means a new QB in the draft with Tebow possibly being shipped out.

If Orton gets benched before that, then they really want to see what Tebow can do and only played Orton as a favor to the vets, to gie them hope that the team might be competitive and that they were not in full rebuilding mode.

If they mess around and don't give Tebow a shot if things continue on this path, then I'm really going to wonder if EFX is right for the Broncos (and truthfully more on E and X than on Fox, he will do as he is told).

Originally Posted by BigDaddyBronco

If Orton bounces back and they win a couple games in the next 5 or so games, I think Orton plays until week 10 or so. If Quinn then comes in, then EFX has no intention of seeing what Tebow can do and it means a new QB in the draft with Tebow possibly being shipped out.

If Orton gets benched before that, then they really want to see what Tebow can do and only played Orton as a favor to the vets, to gie them hope that the team might be competitive and that they were not in full rebuilding mode.

If they mess around and don't give Tebow a shot if things continue on this path, then I'm really going to wonder if EFX is right for the Broncos (and truthfully more on E and X than on Fox, he will do as he is told).

If that is what happens then then clearly EFX is McD MK.II and Lord help us all.

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

If that is what happens then then clearly EFX is McD MK.II and Lord help us all.

And Luck help us all!

Originally Posted by BigDaddyBronco

If Orton bounces back and they win a couple games in the next 5 or so games, I think Orton plays until week 10 or so. If Quinn then comes in, then EFX has no intention of seeing what Tebow can do and it means a new QB in the draft with Tebow possibly being shipped out.

If Orton gets benched before that, then they really want to see what Tebow can do and only played Orton as a favor to the vets, to gie them hope that the team might be competitive and that they were not in full rebuilding mode.

If they mess around and don't give Tebow a shot if things continue on this path, then I'm really going to wonder if EFX is right for the Broncos (and truthfully more on E and X than on Fox, he will do as he is told).

What if Quin is the one that replaces Orton if things go south?

Originally Posted by claymore

Yeah he is, look at the depth chart.

That doesnt mean anything. Keep telling us how awesome Orton is in practice. Most people know better by now. Apparently you're a little slow.

Originally Posted by claymore

What if Quin is the one that replaces Orton if things go south?

At least we're trying something different than what's not working! And if a 5 yr player can't cut it then Tebow will be the last resort before the season ends.

Originally Posted by claymore

What if Quin is the one that replaces Orton if things go south?

Im ok with that. But the reality is he will be on an even shorter leash.

At some point the question of fans in the seats will be an issue just like last season and at that point Bowlen will again exert the influence to get TT in.

Originally Posted by claymore

What if Quin is the one that replaces Orton if things go south?

Right now, its been said over and over again on ESPN that they know that if Orton were to go out, today, that Quinn is the back-up.

The Broncos need this guy in the locker room..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWH0BHS0m04

How many seasons do we have to hear or read this line "it's not ALL Orton's fault". It's some of his fault and the fact we have had to watch his pathetic ass for 3 seasons now pisses me off.

I don't know how many times today I've heard "he brought us to within a FG and if the defense could have made a stop". Are we forgetting the fact that he just flat out dropled the ball?

Quit excusing one shitty (and it's undeniable folks, Orton is shitty) aspect of the team just because there are other shitty aspects as well.

I'm so sick of watching a loser lead this team and then essentially being told "don't worry about the leader being a loser because they're all losers, he fits in perfect".

Originally Posted by G_Money

It's a no-win scenario. If small sample-size (ie, Tebow having a good game or two out of 4) is the issue with fans thinking he can play, then give him a bigger sample size so that more of them understand he can't.

If he DOES succeed in the bigger sample size, then maybe he can actually succeed across multiple years and we don't need to draft a 1st round QB.

If he fails, we draft high. If he succeeds, we don't need that high draftpick for Luck anyway.


~G

This makes sense...

Deal is....

it really does not matter WHO is at QB...
if we suck at the middle of both lines.

The draft needs to be used to upgrade the lines.. the trenches..

If Tebow blows after geting a decent shot...
and the team is upgraded in the 2012 draft...
THEN.. when we draft a young stud in 2013...
we will actually have a team.

If this team uses the #1 pick on a QB in 2012..
I see that as a waste.
If Tim gets cut without a shot... and goes on to greatness elsewhere..
I see that as a waste.

Every game Orton plays in...
is an unmitigated waste.

Originally Posted by Agent of Orange

That doesnt mean anything. Keep telling us how awesome Orton is in practice. Most people know better by now. Apparently you're a little slow.

The only slow one here is you. Read clay's previous posts about how the entire quarterbacking corp sucks, and get back to us,

He hasn't ever called Orton "awesome."

Fail post is fail.