Thread: Monday Night Football Thread: Patriots @ Bengals

I don't know if anyone wants to talk some football, but MNF has kicked off and if anyone has a mind to watch and talk football about the Bengals and PAtriots, come on in and say something. Otherwise I'll just be talking to myself

To start off, I can;t believe the Bengals held the Patriots on that first drive. Five wide and thier coverage looked great....

Wow, so far this is a defensive game... unexpected , though it is stil lvery early.....

Dear Carson Palmer,

In Cincinnati we love you. You are the franchise QB that we have been craving. You consistently keep us in the game, and you always play as hard as you can. Last year you came back from what was called a career ending injury, and played better then most QB's ever could. Even though Pennington got the comeback player of the year award, all logic and sense pointed to you. We where terrible before you came, and we look forward to having you be our QB for many many many more years. However, what the hell are you doing in this game? That INT you threw was atricious, that was on you and not CJ. Even if you threw the ball to where he was that was not going to be completed, CJ is one of the best WR's in the game, and while he will end up in the Hall of Fame the guy isn't Jesus. Please don't do that again, we where on a roll and we need the points. I know that calling them a defense is an insult to all real defenses in the history of the NFL, but they need your help. You have missed several open players in the flat, and we cannot afford to make mistakes. Please do not take this as an insult, you are very easily a better QB then Tom Brady, and competant QB in the league could have won a SB with those teams.

Love all the Bengal fans in the world



P.S. Cleveland sucks.

The responsibility for that INT is up in the air IMO. I think TJ and Chad saw a zone coverage with man on man principals applied, while Carson Palmer saw the Safety pull to the center of the field and open a big hole in what he precieved to be a pure zone coverage. If CJ had gone in a post route, he could have created the seperation needed for the catch. On the other hand if Palmer saw what TJ and CJ did, he wouldn't of throw that pass.... If either PAlmer or CJ would have done what the other thought should have been done, it could of resulted in a better play IMO......

Originally Posted by BigBroncLove

The responsibility for that INT is up in the air IMO. I think TJ and Chad saw a zone coverage with man on man principals applied, while Carson Palmer saw the Safety pull to the center of the field and open a big hole in what he precieved to be a pure zone coverage. If CJ had gone in a post route, he could have created the seperation needed for the catch. On the other hand if Palmer saw what TJ and CJ did, he wouldn't of throw that pass.... If either PAlmer or CJ would have done what the other thought should have been done, it could of resulted in a better play IMO......

Palmer did this last year as well. A. Even if he threw it to where CJ was going nothing good could happen from that play. B. I have seen waaaaaay to many occasions like this where Palmer throws an INT where a WR didn't "run the right route". CJ ran the play that was called, and Palmer decided to force the throw. That one is on Palmer

Originally Posted by King87

Palmer did this last year as well. A. Even if he threw it to where CJ was going nothing good could happen from that play. B. I have seen waaaaaay to many occasions like this where Palmer throws an INT where a WR didn't "run the right route". CJ ran the play that was called, and Palmer decided to force the throw. That one is on Palmer

well that's great that you have seen way to many passes like that from Palmer, but it's a matter of fundamental football. Post routes like taht create seperation. In a hole that was created from the shifting safety, you can take advantage of the hoel in the zone. If either the WR or the QB would have been on the same page, that coverage shceme could have been taken advantage of "B", either with that throw or a check down if Palmer was on the same page as CJ..... more then enough blame to go around IMO.

Originally Posted by BigBroncLove

well that's great that you have seen way to many passes like that from Palmer, but it's a matter of fundamental football. Post routes like taht create seperation. In a hole that was created from the shifting safety, you can take advantage of the hoel in the zone. If either the WR or the QB would have been on the same page, that coverage shceme could have been taken advantage of "B", either with that throw or a check down if Palmer was on the same page as CJ..... more then enough blame to go around IMO.

CJ was cutting outside where there was absolutely nobody. I still have a feeling that that was an option route and CJ picked the correct option while Palmer didn't. Palmer throws that outside, that's a TD.

Originally Posted by bengaaaaals1688

CJ was cutting outside where there was absolutely nobody. I still have a feeling that that was an option route and CJ picked the correct option while Palmer didn't. Palmer throws that outside, that's a TD.

I disagree about that being a TD. I do agree that was without an option route, where the WR looks at the coverage and decides their route based upon the defense he sees. However Samual, Like Bailey, is a CB who watches the QB first and the WR second. The reason he jumped that route is because the ball was in the air and he was watching it, where as CJ was running his route. I doubt that would have been a TD. Samuel would have stayed with CJ if that ball hadn;t of been thrown. If Palmer was on the same page as CJ's read of the coverage, he would of had to check down IMO. If CJ saw the oepning in the zone coverage, it would have been a pass that could have been completed, but would have been a fit through coverage, one I think Palmer cna pull off if CJ uses his body to shield the defender.

Originally Posted by BigBroncLove

I disagree about that being a TD. I do agree that was without an option route, where the WR looks at the coverage and decides their route based upon the defense he sees. However Samual, Like Bailey, is a CB who watches the QB first and the WR second. The reason he jumped that route is because the ball was in the air and he was watching it, where as CJ was running his route. I doubt that would have been a TD. Samuel would have stayed with CJ if that ball hadn;t of been thrown. If Palmer was on the same page as CJ's read of the coverage, he would of had to check down IMO. If CJ saw the oepning in the zone coverage, it would have been a pass that could have been completed, but would have been a fit through coverage, one I think Palmer cna pull off if CJ uses his body to shield the defender.

The corner of the end zone was way too wide open to not be a TD. Palmer looks off Samuel like he should have and throws outside where CJ was going, there would have been absolutely nobody anywhere near CJ in the end zone and thats an easy TD.

Originally Posted by bengaaaaals1688

The corner of the end zone was way too wide open to not be a TD. Palmer looks off Samuel like he should have and throws outside where CJ was going, there would have been absolutely nobody anywhere near CJ in the end zone and thats an easy TD.

We'll have to agree to disagree....

Originally Posted by BigBroncLove

We'll have to agree to disagree....

Yeah probably... I am way too frustrated with the way this game is going.

Originally Posted by BigBroncLove

well that's great that you have seen way to many passes like that from Palmer, but it's a matter of fundamental football. Post routes like taht create seperation. In a hole that was created from the shifting safety, you can take advantage of the hoel in the zone. If either the WR or the QB would have been on the same page, that coverage shceme could have been taken advantage of "B", either with that throw or a check down if Palmer was on the same page as CJ..... more then enough blame to go around IMO.

There was no reason for that pass to be thrown period. If Palmer could gee I don't know for once in his life get on the same page as his WR's our offense would actually click.

Originally Posted by bengaaaaals1688

Yeah probably... I am way too frustrated with the way this game is going.

YEah... lots of good looking drives that start well, and finish poorly. Watson looks good running, but to much pressure on Palmer... way to much preasure. Especially with the Pats bringing only 4 sometimes.....

To boot the Cinci D is giving more and more gorund every drive. I want Palmer to start getting some TD's for my FF team.... and if Brady has to score (the team I am facing owns Brady and Moss) do it to Welker who is also on my team.

Wow, what a costly penalty, that 12 men on the field..... I wonder hwo was the player who shouldn't of been there?

What a great play by Chad Jophnson. The yards after contact were great. What a reciever