Thread: Todd Haley thinks Josh McDaniels was cheating.

Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest

You misunderstood my post. I fully admit what he did against SF was cheating and I don't condone it at all.

My point is that it's highly unlikely that he cheated against the Chiefs seeing as it's impossible to go film their practice when they are across the country at their own private facility.

I disagee because for several reasons.

1.) Teams have walk throughs at the stadium that they are going to play in.

2.) McDaniels mentor taped during games as well as practices.

3.) If Joshy was willing to take advantage of the 49ers in London then he would I doubt like he wouldn't inclined to do so when the opportunity presented itself.

4.) He lied to his boss and to the public about his involvement in the New England scandal. His willingness to do that shows that his moral compass is/was at best skewed.

Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest

Yeah, I'm sure McD has NO idea that you need talent to win in the NFL.

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Yeah, he did get rid of some talented players, but he also kept several talented players and tried to bring in more.

And other than maybe Hillis, you can make some strong arguments in support of why he got rid of the other players that he did. I'm not going to re-hash those argumentst because they have been made on here a million times, but those arguments do exist.

Regardless, of the perceived arguments, McD made the trades, so is responsible for, and owns, the disastrous results.

Originally Posted by Tned

Regardless, of the perceived arguments, McD made the trades, so is responsible for, and owns, the disastrous results.

Obviously, but my point is that the argument "McDaniels doesn't know you need talent to win in the NFL" is just retarded.

I'm sure he knows it now, after he dumped his best talent and then crashed to the worst record in Denver history. I'm sure it may have hit him somewhere along the line last year as he was getting his ass handed to him.

Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest

Obviously, but my point is that the argument "McDaniels doesn't know you need talent to win in the NFL" is just retarded.

It's meant figuratively not literally.

Who gives a flying bat fart what Todd Haley thinks or says. He didn't have his team ready and got an ass whipping.

Originally Posted by zbeg

No doubt. People act as if he isn't qualified to run a high school team. Belichick regarded him as his brightest assistant coach, and while there was no love for Mangini or Crennel, he was pretty outspoken (well, as outspoken as Belichick can get) about McDaniels being a loss to the Patriots when he left.

He was hired to be a coach, and I think he did a reasonable job of doing that. It's when he took over personnel that things got out of hand, and part of the blame goes to Xanders and Ellis/Bowlen for allowing that to happen. McDaniels had a system for a specific type of personnel, and he just never gave himself the talent to succeed with that system.

I never looked at the Broncos and thought, "Man, the players have given up." They played hard until the end of the fourth quarter, but they just didn't have the talent. That indicates to me that the coach is doing something right.

Yeah, he should have been fired - the mini-Spygate thing was a black eye, and I don't know how you gracefully demote him from being a personnel guy to just being a coach, and the record obviously wasn't good because of the lack of talent on the field, which was largely his fault (although Shanahan didn't exactly leave him with the 1985 Bears defense).

A lot of his mistakes came from youth/inexperience, but he's also clearly very smart and talented, and I would bet a reasonable sum of money on him being a successful head coach in the NFL in the next 5-10 years.

And for a season and a half+, we had one of the two coaches in the NFL who actually understand opportunity cost/expected value (anyone who's played poker for any real amount of money can sympathize with my frustration here). Boy, that was nice to see someone who understands something most of the league does not, even though I think it's pretty basic.

outstanding post to bad it will fall on deaf ears..

Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest

Yeah, I'm sure McD has NO idea that you need talent to win in the NFL.

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Yeah, he did get rid of some talented players, but he also kept several talented players and tried to bring in more.

And other than maybe Hillis, you can make some strong arguments in support of why he got rid of the other players that he did. I'm not going to re-hash those arguments because they have been made on here a million times, but those arguments do exist.

also a great post ..

Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest

Obviously, but my point is that the argument "McDaniels doesn't know you need talent to win in the NFL" is just retarded.

McDaniels is a smart guy, and even a dumb guy would know you need talent to win in the NFL. That said, he made a lot of very bad mistakes. Even Pat Bowlen stated shortly after the Cutler trade and first draft that McDaniels had made "rookie mistakes."

That's the risk when hiring not only a first time head coach, but one so young. McDaniels arrogance and ego wrote checks that his brains could not pay (to borrow and bastardize a line from Top Gun).

McDaniels issue, to me, an outsider, as all of us are,except you guys even more, since you don't have season tickets, is that he treats people like shit.

For those of you who think a hard ass boss/coach is needed, ask yourself if you would like McD to be your boss. Eff no.

Tough but fair, yes. Slime ball ethically challenged, nope.

Originally Posted by Tned

McDaniels is a smart guy, and even a dumb guy would know you need talent to win in the NFL. That said, he made a lot of very bad mistakes. Even Pat Bowlen stated shortly after the Cutler trade and first draft that McDaniels had made "rookie mistakes."

That's the risk when hiring not only a first time head coach, but one so young. McDaniels arrogance and ego wrote checks that his brains could not pay (to borrow and bastardize a line from Top Gun).

Everyone keeps calling him a smart guy. I think its more out of conditioning, or politeness. But the dude is an effin retard.

I want to see him do something well without Bill Belicheck. The guy sucked donkey balls as a HC, OC, personnel guy. Yes we had alot of meaningless passing yards. But everything else was TERRIBLE.

Originally Posted by claymore

Everyone keeps calling him a smart guy. I think its more out of conditioning, or politeness. But the dude is an effin retard.

I want to see him do something well without Bill Belicheck. The guy sucked donkey balls as a HC, OC, personnel guy. Yes we had alot of meaningless passing yards. But everything else was TERRIBLE.

Hey he got us to the #2 draft position for the first time EVER!!!!

THATS something

Originally Posted by claymore

Everyone keeps calling him a smart guy. I think its more out of conditioning, or politeness. But the dude is an effin retard.

I want to see him do something well without Bill Belicheck. The guy sucked donkey balls as a HC, OC, personnel guy. Yes we had alot of meaningless passing yards. But everything else was TERRIBLE.

When comes the Xs and Os he is smart Clay even his biggest critics concede he understands the game very well.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

When comes the Xs and Os he is smart Clay even his biggest critics concede he understands the game very well.

Sure, in a vaccum. Lock him in a press box with a play sheet, I suppose.

It is like saying Nut's dog likes peanut butter. Sure, but not on sandwiches. Probably just human scrotums.

So once agian we bash Josh because he was hired to be the HC and was given a rookie co GMsand one of which seemed to be power-hungry.

If the rookie GMs were nit doing their jobs. I guess it would have been best for no one to do it.

Yes that makes sense.
The smart thing to do was hire a Qualified and experienced GM and then let him do the grunt work in hiring the rest of the staff. HC on down subject to Pat approval.

That plus the lack of depth and quality starters left behind put the team into a hole that would take years to climb out of.

Atleast Pat learned from that and brought in a "rookie" vp of football operations this time to over see the process.

Ahahahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by BeefStew25

Sure, in a vaccum. Lock him in a press box with a play sheet, I suppose.

It is like saying Nut's dog likes peanut butter. Sure, but not on sandwiches. Probably just human scrotums.

Beef you have a way with words.