Thread: Town Hall Proposal: Implementation of an infraction points (IP) system

I've been for an IP (infraction point) system any time that it's been mentioned, and I like the examples of points and time-frames that Tned has laid out. This would in essence give a three-strikes and your out type of philosophy for major issues, but minor ones would be more-or-less a slap on the wrist. . .only adding on to major issues if there are any.

I would add just one other idea from my experience at the Freak. You should add an additional infraction (I'm not sure what level, but probably along the lines of 5 points) for starting a thread, or questioning publicly any infraction's handed out. Nothing causes more problems imo than a bunch of threads running around criticizing the mods actions.

That's not to say you can't question an infraction in private through pm's with the mods and/or Tned. There's just no need for the public airing of dirty laundry.

I say give it a 30 day trial period, then take a census about it then. Don't enforce the suspensions during this period, but let people know what points they are acruing and why so that we have an adjustment period to get ourselves in line. I also think there should be an appeal thread (that should be used conservatavely).

And I think you should implement the 30 day trial now. Otherwise, this issue could sit here for a while with nothing being done about it.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

I say give it a 30 day trial period, then take a census about it then. Don't enforce the suspensions during this period, but let people know what points they are acruing and why so that we have an adjustment period to get ourselves in line. I also think there should be an appeal thread (that should be used conservatavely).

And I think you should implement the 30 day trial now. Otherwise, this issue could sit here for a while with nothing being done about it.

Actually.....I think that a trial period is a good idea. I'd be down with that.......as long as someone gives me an IP. I never got one over at the Freak.

However, I think appeals should go to Tned only via PM or the suggestion box or something. I don't see anything good coming out of a public appeal. If there is something that needs to be made public, I have faith that Tned will let us know.

However, I think appeals should go to Tned only via PM or the suggestion box or something. I don't see anything good coming out of a public appeal. If there is something that needs to be made public, I have faith that Tned will let us know.

I could not agree more Frau. These should never be public.

Originally Posted by frauschieze

Actually.....I think that a trial period is a good idea. I'd be down with that.......as long as someone gives me an IP. I never got one over at the Freak.

However, I think appeals should go to Tned only via PM or the suggestion box or something. I don't see anything good coming out of a public appeal. If there is something that needs to be made public, I have faith that Tned will let us know.

I could agree with that, however, I don't think the appeals should go just to Tned. There should be a pm address that gets to all the mods. Thus freeing Tned from being the only person having do deal with the appeals.

I would also propose a minor infraction might be handed out for political postings outside the P&R forum, with that offense being increased drastically if done by a member who has had P&R privileges revoked. This is to prevent continued carrying on outside of P&R by members under a P&R ban, and because some folks opt out of P&R for the express purpose of avoiding political controversy.

Great input guys, thanks. Keep it coming.

Originally Posted by frauschieze

Actually.....I think that a trial period is a good idea. I'd be down with that.......as long as someone gives me an IP. I never got one over at the Freak.

However, I think appeals should go to Tned only via PM or the suggestion box or something. I don't see anything good coming out of a public appeal. If there is something that needs to be made public, I have faith that Tned will let us know.

Why hasn't Frau been hired as a moderator yet?

I think an IP system is all ****'d up and whoever suggested it is a moron.
Did I win? Was I the first to get IP points?

Ok, all kidding aside, I'd rather have a board that is self regulating, but human nature as it is, that probably won't happen. So I agree that an IP system with specific values for infractions is a good idea to give a try. What has been suggested seems as good a place to start as any.

It can always be adjusted along the way if certain things don't work. Like maybe going up to 2 points for language filter infractions.

A hockey analogy comes to mind - the penalty box. Five for fighting.

I say go for it.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

I could agree with that, however, I don't think the appeals should go just to Tned. There should be a pm address that gets to all the mods. Thus freeing Tned from being the only person having do deal with the appeals.

The problem with this Thnik is that if a member thinks they are being persecuted by a Mod they ought to feel free to discuss this freely with Tned without the Mod being aware

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

Why hasn't Frau been hired as a moderator yet?

Because she is too good looking. Apart from Carol we have standards to uphold

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

I could agree with that, however, I don't think the appeals should go just to Tned. There should be a pm address that gets to all the mods. Thus freeing Tned from being the only person having do deal with the appeals.

If we implement the system, we can address the appeals system in detail.

One problem with sending appeals to mods, is that it puts them in a tough position.

Moderator A gives an infraction
Moderator B reviews it and determines it wasn't fair/justified and reverses it

That's a tough position to put moderator B in, and it is probably better that I am the one doing it, since I won't be handing out infractions.

Alternatively, or as a "down the road" thing, we could consider a group of forum members which are an "appeals court", so to speak, but that seems over-kill in my mind, and it would be better to see if a simplified appeals process doesn't work, before trying to overcomplicate things.

I think, one stike, and you're out, is the best way to go..........Tough love.........It's for their own good.

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Because she is too good looking. Apart from Carol we have standards to uphold

Discrimination!

I think clear boundaries are always best with a quick reminder that you have crossed them, so a IP system seems to fit that bill. Tned I can see in your writing that this has become work for you and that's not why you started this board. You have been so generous with your time and money that what ever you need to do to make your life easier then please do it. From where I sit the Mods are fair people and I would trust their judgment with the guild lines you have proposed.