Thread: Per Xanders- Broncos Going to a 4-3

in order for the 4-3 to really work for us we need DJ williams gone from MLB, and we need a DT inside that can get upfield. Draft bowers at 2 or peterson at 2 or tarde back some and get dareus....

ideally for the 4-3 front

Doom-Dareus-Bannan-Ayers
Woodyard-????(Mays???)- Haggan


Thomas can play UT with dareus, and Jamal williamss can play NN with bannan, then we just need a legit MLB because DJ isnt it for the 4-3, we also need a Legit safety as well....

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

in order for the 4-3 to really work for us we need DJ williams gone from MLB, and we need a DT inside that can get upfield. Draft bowers at 2 or peterson at 2 or tarde back some and get dareus....

ideally for the 4-3 front

Doom-Dareus-Bannan-Ayers
Woodyard-????(Mays???)- Haggan


Thomas can play UT with dareus, and Jamal williamss can play NN with bannan, then we just need a legit MLB because DJ isnt it for the 4-3, we also need a Legit safety as well....

Actually, D.J. excelled at Will in the 4-3. That is his natural position, one
that he should never have had to leave.

The question mark to me is Mays. He showed some promise, and he hits
like a rabid rhino.

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Originally Posted by dogfish

marcell dareus, corey leguit and greg jones. . . have to have some real DTs and a real MIKE. . .

when was the last time this D has the personel to run a 3-4, 1977-1980?

Originally Posted by Medford Bronco

when was the last time this D has the personel to run a 3-4, 1977-1980?

They had some very special people back then: Rubin Carter, Barney Chavous,
Lyle Alzado, Gradishar, Swenson, Rizzo, Tom Jackson, Steve Foley, Billy
Thompson, Louis Wright.

Whom do the have now, besides Champ?

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Originally Posted by topscribe

They had some very special people back then: Rubin Carter, Barney Chavous,
Lyle Alzado, Gradishar, Swenson, Rizzo, Tom Jackson, Steve Foley, Billy
Thompson, Louis Wright.

Whom do the have now, besides Champ?

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I was being sarcastic, but I love that D

We had decent Ds under Reeves and a servicable one under Shanny 96-98 when the Offense was off the charts

Originally Posted by Medford Bronco

when was the last time this D has the personel to run a 3-4, 1977-1980?

Nah, we were certainly playing it during the mid-eighties....pretty sure our starting LBs at one point were Fletcher, Mecklenberg, Huntley & Ryan...........

Originally Posted by Medford Bronco

when was the last time this D has the personel to run a 3-4, 1977-1980?

We haven't had the personnel to run the 3-4, or the 4-3, since the turn of the millenium, with the one exception of 2005 and early 2006 which seems to be more of a blip on the Denver defensive failures.

There's a reason why this organization has been a laughing stock to a degree on the defensive side of the ball for what seems like....forever.

Very stupid move IMO. Going to a 4-3 relegates your extremely well paid defensive playmaker (Dumervil) to a rotational role and makes two of your very promising linebackers (Haggan and Mays) completely worthless.

LOL...... Lets switch 3-4 to 4-3 every play. THAT will keep em guessing...

Originally Posted by elsid13

Baltimore is not a true 3/4 , it more of hybrid that very unique and special.

Yet extrodinary do it it something that we will nor be in a 4-3.

Note that most of the playoff winners and superbowl contestants for the past decade have been 3-4 teams.
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Originally Posted by elsid13

The problem Denver has had over the last 10 years is that constant change of defense scheme and systems. It very hard to develop or draft players when you are continue changing what you are looking for. Even today, I think the change back is going to be problem, because I am not sure if there DE with enough strength at RDE to anchor that side of the line.

Actually we have really only changed schemes twice in the past decade.
When bates came in and then when Josh came in.

The real reason ww have sucked on D is because we have never made a commitment to drafting DL since price was drafted in IIRC 1998.
And when we did tit was fubar After fubar.
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Personally I prefer the 3-4 but in either case you need talent to run either scheme.

Originally Posted by topscribe

Actually, D.J. excelled at Will in the 4-3. That is his natural position, one
that he should never have had to leave.

The question mark to me is Mays. He showed some promise, and he hits
like a rabid rhino.

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Spot on.
DJ has only ever excelled at WLB in a 4-3. Move him back.
Doom had no problem playing in the 4-3 a few years ago, so why cant he now? He is more than capable, although i have no doubt that Fox has plans to utilize Doom in hybrid schemes to make him more productive.
As for Mays, its possible, or Fox could just lure MLB James Anderson from CAR and plug him in. Suddenly with DJ at WLB and Anderson at MLB, DEN doesnt look so bad at the LB position, and bring in FA SS/FS Roman Harper.
As for DT, well theres PLENTY of true high-calibur talent in this years draft.
Nick Fairley AUB
Corey Liuget ILL
Stephen Paea ORE ST
Drake Nevis LSU
Marvin Austin NC
Jarvis Jenkins CLEM
Jurrell Casey USC

All of these guys are top notch 1st through 3rd round, NFL calibur starters.
This draft is deeeeep at 4-3 DT and DE.

Originally Posted by Lonestar

Yet extrodinary do it it something that we will nor be in a 4-3.

Note that most of the playoff winners and superbowl contestants for the past decade have been 3-4 teams.
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Not sure why this misinformation keeps getting regurgitated.

2000: Baltimore (4-3) v. NYG (4-3)
2001: New England (4-3) v. St. Louis (4-3)
2002: Oakland (4-3) v. Tampa Bay (4-3)
2003: New England (4-3) v. Carolina (4-3)
2004: New England (4-3) v. Philadelphia (4-3)
2005: Pittsburgh (3-4) v. Seattle (4-3)
2006: Indianapolis (4-3) v. Chicago (4-3)
2007: New England (3-4) v. NY Giants (4-3)
2008: Pittsburgh (3-4) v. Arizona Cardinals (Ran Both)
2009: Indianapolis (4-3) v. New Orleans (4-3)
2010: Pittsburgh (3-4) v. Green Bay (3-4)

16 4-3 Defenses
5 3-4 Defenses
1 Defense that ran both and that is being generous as Clancy Pendergast was a 4-3 guy (he's now gone), but Whisenhunt has had them mix in more 3-4s as he's been trying to develop the talent to run a 3-4 fulltime, so they basically have been running both.

Originally Posted by SOCALORADO.

Spot on.
DJ has only ever excelled at WLB in a 4-3. Move him back.
Doom had no problem playing in the 4-3 a few years ago, so why cant he now? He is more than capable, although i have no doubt that Fox has plans to utilize Doom in hybrid schemes to make him more productive.
As for Mays, its possible, or Fox could just lure MLB James Anderson from CAR and plug him in. Suddenly with DJ at WLB and Anderson at MLB, DEN doesnt look so bad at the LB position, and bring in FA SS/FS Roman Harper.
As for DT, well theres PLENTY of true high-calibur talent in this years draft.
Nick Fairley AUB
Corey Liuget ILL
Stephen Paea ORE ST
Drake Nevis LSU
Marvin Austin NC
Jarvis Jenkins CLEM
Jurrell Casey USC

All of these guys are top notch 1st through 3rd round, NFL calibur starters.
This draft is deeeeep at 4-3 DT and DE.

Very True.