Thread: Browns' Hillis opens up on team, Denver in radio interview

Originally Posted by Lonestar

Josh had really wanted Quinn originally but CLE would not deal like chi would. Josh knew that Orton struggled year one and was on his last year ofhis contrAct.

Pretty simple to figure out. A bb that struggled with learning the playbook changes each week or the guy that you wanted in the first place

I doubt that anyone believed Orton did so well as he did to keep all comers off the field. NO ONE.
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Thats a good point. Maybe this is confirmation that Bowlen was too cheap to pay someone in the top 10. As I recall, the Browns had a top 10 pick at the time the Cutler was traded.

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

What's done is done.

I don't believe it is. Until the Broncos give the fans something, anything than it will continue to fester year after year. That's why the Hillis crowd tends to be much more vocal than the Cutler crowd (many of the same) because ultimately the team gave the fans at least some kind of glimpse into Cutler's actions.

That is part of why I don't like Xanders too much. He continues to dodge the Hillis situation entirely. Good GM's understand the media is their direct access to the fans and they answer the tough questions.

Originally Posted by Lonestar

Josh had really wanted Quinn originally but CLE would not deal like chi would.
Josh knew that Orton struggled year one and was on his last year ofhis contrAct.

Pretty simple to figure out. A bb that struggled with learning the playbook changes each week or the guy that you wanted in the first place

I doubt that anyone believed Orton did so well as he did to keep all comers off the field. NO ONE.
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Opinion and speculation.

Josh knew?? Did you talk to him?? Oh, and if he really wanted Quinn? Not a good thing.

Couldn't learn the playbook? Speculation/Rumor.

Orton kept off all commers? Who were the commers again? Oh yeah, Brady Quinn and a rookie QB. I would hope he could hold off those guys.

Originally Posted by GEM

Mmm, calves

Originally Posted by scott.475

You needed to add "with an agenda" between "dumbass" and "wrote".

I am going to continue following Peyton's career, and will never get over the desire to punch McD square in the nose whenever I watch him play. Anyone who thinks we are better without Hillis than with him needs therapy.

Lonestar, your article clips don't do much to support the argument that he is a meathead who doesn't understand the playbook. The first clip you used says there was a "perception" he had a concentration problem. Why the qualifier? He either did, or he didn't, have a concentration problem. The same clip also said "Hillis returned from it and was productive, effective and showed great promise. There was no public pouting nor any sign of anything but a willingness to mature and do better." So, even if it was a real problem, he got over it.

The other clip says he tended to get in a funk after bad plays, something I actually never noticed so I don't where it came from, but also says the he was getting over that. Regarding his blocking, maybe, but I don't think I can buy that he was actually worse than any of our other backs in this area. Did Mike Alstott do a lot of blocking? I honestly don't know, but he was a FB too.

I am no Shanahan apologist, it was time for him to go, but he did show time and time again that he was happy to let surprise talent show their ability and give them starting roles if they earned it, regardless of draft position.

My gosh, to read some people, you wonder why even have late round drafts if being drafted late means you deserve no chance to ever be a starter since a higher round pick ALWAYS deserves to be the starter, regardless of what each player has shown in ability and desire.

As I said many times before, it does not matter what we think or want to believe.


It is what the coaches see and react to Peyton said it a few times in his interviews he is not a practice player. Your more than welcome to research it your self as I have wasted about as much time on it as I care to.

If he did not practice well, BT was not going to put him into the line up PERIOD and since he was the RB coach in 08-09, that meant it IMO was more on BT than Mikey or Josh.

Now I loved the guy and frankly do not understand Joshes reluctance in playing him, after seeing 08 film on him, I'd have called BT on the carpet and asked hard questions, maybe he did and was one of the reasons BT did not get a second year here.

and just maybe BT told him that he was not ready.

The key is NO ONE knows for sure why Hillis was not used. Only BT, Josh, Mikey and Hillis and so fare none of them have really answered the hard questions.

yes late rounders happen but for the most part they are very limited role players..

What I find really funny are about 98% of the folks whining about Hillis today, condemned him as a wasted pick, that could not block was to big, to slow, was from AR, fumbled a lot, had small hands and mostly that a LB took his spot as starter.

Because that I questioned Mikey's lack of prowess in figuring out he was a player, somehow makes me the bad guy even though I have been a Hillis fan since day one.

Originally Posted by Agent of Orange

Thats a good point. Maybe this is confirmation that Bowlen was too cheap to pay someone in the top 10. As I recall, the Browns had a top 10 pick at the time the Cutler was traded.

As I understood it they were not willing to give up 2 firsts and more like Chicago did. Bears gave us more for the #2 QB on Joshes wish list.


Had Nothing to do with Pat going on the cheap.

a made up stat. I would EASILY say that the ones complaining today about Hillis gone, are the same ones that complained when he wasn't being used, and raved about being drafted to begin with. Totally made up stat purely inspired to make you feel as though your opinion is a fact.

Its not hard to see that Mike SHanahan drafted him and used him as a full-back from game one. Cutler using him as a passing target early on. How is it hard to see that a drafted FB, and a starting FB, would not get time as a TB until injuries forced the opportunities? Why would Hillis get carries in practice? DOesn't matter. Once he DID, he entrenched himself as a viable running back, that EVERYONE could see. Doesn't matter why Kurt Warner sat the bench and was playing behind Trent. It only matters what he did ONCE he got the starting opportunities.

To try.. and twist it around that Mike Shanahan didn't see the "value" he got with the Hillis pick, is PURELY and SOLELY.. attempting to take the heat off a coach that had the history and LUXURY of knowing what Hillis is like as a RB on the field.

Its more of the "Don't look at my idiot coach... look away over there." "IGNORE THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN." Its like a magic trick. If we keep the audience focused on this, we can keep their attention AWAY from whats really going on.

Its so obvious.

Originally Posted by Lonestar
Josh had really wanted Quinn originally but CLE would not deal like chi would.
Josh knew that Orton struggled year one and was on his last year ofhis contrAct.

Pretty simple to figure out. A bb that struggled with learning the playbook changes each week or the guy that you wanted in the first place

I doubt that anyone believed Orton did so well as he did to keep all comers off the field. NO ONE.
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Originally Posted by turftoad

Opinion and speculation.

Josh knew?? Did you talk to him?? Oh, and if he really wanted Quinn? Not a good thing.

Couldn't learn the playbook? Speculation/Rumor.

Orton kept off all commers? Who were the commers again? Oh yeah, Brady Quinn and a rookie QB. I would hope he could hold off those guys.

Now you are just being silly with that comment.

IT was obvious to EVERYONE that Orton did not have a "great" year.. No ONE expected him to be that starter this past year, other than TOP that is I thought he would be hard to beat out considering the others would have to learn the playbook from day one. and that Orton had "some" chemistry and timing with the receivers.

But almost everyone on here wanted Orton or then Tebow to be playing..

I believe that 90% of this forums members were pleasantly surprised with his play initially the deep ball, almost no picks good completion %, QBR. If they were not they were very quiet..


nice playing here today.

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

Its not hard to see that Mike SHanahan drafted him and used him as a full-back from game one. Cutler using him as a passing target early on.
Its so obvious.

Code:

   WK 	Game Date 	Opp 	Result 	G 	GS 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	FUM 	Lost
1 	09/08 	@ OAK 	W   41-14 	1 	0 	3 	14 	4.7 	5 	0 	1 	4 	4.0 	4 	0 	-- 	--
2 	09/14 	SD 	W   39-38 	1 	0 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
3 	09/21 	NO 	W   34-32 	1 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
4 	09/28 	@ KC 	L   19-33 	1 	0 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
5 	10/05 	TB 	W   16-13 	0 	0 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
6 	10/12 	JAC 	L   17-24 	1 	0 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
7 	10/20 	@ NE 	L   7-41 	1 	0 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
8 	Bye 		-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
9 	11/02 	MIA 	L   17-26 	1 	1 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	7 	116 	16.6 	47 	1 	-- 	--
10 	11/06 	@ CLE 	W   34-30 	1 	0 	8 	24 	3.0 	10 	0 	0 	0 	-- 	-- 	0 	-- 	--

yep those 8 receptions in games 1 thru10 were jays relief valve considering 7 and he had 14 all year.

Try again get your facts straight first..

Originally Posted by rcsodak

Well to be honest, rb's ARE the easiest to replace. Almost throw away.
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If so then why do ours suck?

Originally Posted by broncofaninfla

If so then why do ours suck?

I thought moreno looked pretty hood late in the year once the oline had the same guys playing next to each other moe than two consecutive games.

Also I believe that he was hurt much of the year.

Lendale white was looking studdly until he went down.

Maybe not foster or Peterson but getting yards aftr contact. Something we have not seen in years other than Hilllis.
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[QUOTE=Lonestar;1197703]If he did not practice well, BT was not going to put him into the line up PERIOD and since he was the RB coach in 08-09, that meant it IMO was more on BT than Mikey or Josh.

Now I loved the guy and frankly do not understand Joshes reluctance in playing him, after seeing 08 film on him, I'd have called BT on the carpet and asked hard questions, maybe he did and was one of the reasons BT did not get a second year here.

and just maybe BT told him that he was not ready.[Quote=Lonestar]




BT this and BT that. We don't have any idea if BT had any say on who played or didn't play. Seems like taking blame away from McFired again.

BT didn't want a second year under McFired.
He had had plenty of years here. One under McFired was enough. IMO.

BT was a Shanny guy, not a McFired guy, thats exactly why he was gone.
We have all see how McFired treated Shanny guys.

Originally Posted by Lonestar

What I find really funny are about 98% of the folks whining about Hillis today, condemned him as a wasted pick, that could not block was to big, to slow, was from AR, fumbled a lot, had small hands and mostly that a LB took his spot as starter.

Because that I questioned Mikey's lack of prowess in figuring out he was a player, somehow makes me the bad guy even though I have been a Hillis fan since day one.

What? Name those 98%, that is not even close to true. My memory is that most of the people here who were most vocally against him in the first place, stating what you attributed to them, were the same ones who were plenty accepting of the trade, saying the same kind of things (late round pick vs. the 1st in Moreno, couldn't block, blah, blah, blah.) I don't know that anyone who truly felt the you say they did about him were won over by him, I am pretty sure his biggest critics, which were not many to begin with, though they were very vocal, remained critical of him until the end. I think his performance won over many people while he was here, but I don't think it won the biggest skeptics over.

Are you saying Mike didn't figure out Hillis was a player? Is that because he didn't start him immediately? I will grant that, for whatever reason, maybe Mike did not realize early on his ability (contrary to the many, many glowing reports we read about him during his first training camp, a lot of those coming from Mike himself) , but once he DID realize what he had, he was going to use him. Mike was practically gushing over the guy then. We can only speculate what the future would have held, but based on Mike's past, I think we can pretty comfortably say he would have made Hillis his featured back the following season.

Originally Posted by ursamajor

Mmm, calves

I tried to get her to live up to her deal, but she wouldn't. At least I tried