Thread: Top 3 Prospects for the #2 Pick in the 2011 NFL Draft

You're right King. LT did play primarily out of a 3-4 base. Thomas got to the hall of fame in a 4-3 base though. I still believe that Von miller can be that type of player in either scheme.

Originally Posted by dogfish

i agree with G, since we're at number two i only need two. . .dareus and then fairley-- take one of 'em. . .

of course, we could well trade down a few spots and still get fairley IF an offer comes through-- but i don't think one will unless a CBA miraculously gets signed before the draft. . . hopefully carolina doesn't take dareus-- that's our worst scenario, IMO. . .

i believe fairley is the right choice for us if dareus is off the board, but nick really is a guy you'd prefer to take a little lower because of the associated risk. . . his ceiling is what you want at number two, but his floor clearly not so much at all. . .

i'd still take him, though-- gotta cross your fingers when you do, but i wouldn't back down from my principles. . . all other concerns aside, none of the other top picks are better football players than fairley, who was the most individually dominant of all the top picks on the field this year. . . i'll admit that i think he does have a little more risk than miller or peterson, but those guys aren't without questions also-- particularly peterson IMO. . . we currently have one DT on the roster and have been absolutely BLEEDING for an impact player there for the better part of a decade. . .

i know the mantra about not drafting for need, but when the value isn't that different between a group of players, glaring need becomes an obvious factor in your decision-making process. . . just take one of those guys. . .

Well said and i totally agree.

Originally Posted by dogfish

i agree with G, since we're at number two i only need two. . .dareus and then fairley-- take one of 'em. . .

of course, we could well trade down a few spots and still get fairley IF an offer comes through-- but i don't think one will unless a CBA miraculously gets signed before the draft. . . hopefully carolina doesn't take dareus-- that's our worst scenario, IMO. . .

i believe fairley is the right choice for us if dareus is off the board, but nick really is a guy you'd prefer to take a little lower because of the associated risk. . . his ceiling is what you want at number two, but his floor clearly not so much at all. . .

i'd still take him, though-- gotta cross your fingers when you do, but i wouldn't back down from my principles. . . all other concerns aside, none of the other top picks are better football players than fairley, who was the most individually dominant of all the top picks on the field this year. . . i'll admit that i think he does have a little more risk than miller or peterson, but those guys aren't without questions also-- particularly peterson IMO. . . we currently have one DT on the roster and have been absolutely BLEEDING for an impact player there for the better part of a decade. . .

i know the mantra about not drafting for need, but when the value isn't that different between a group of players, glaring need becomes an obvious factor in your decision-making process. . . just take one of those guys. . .

Fairley scares the hell out of me! Too much risk and goes totally against what Elway stated IMO. They really do have to hit the number two pick.

If Carolina does select Dareus, Miller or Peterson have to be the choice if we can't trade out. The talent and value for both those two, plus their more consistent body of work in college justifies their possible selection at #2.

Fairley is not a #2 talent! Drafting for need gets a team in trouble more often than not. Although there is no sure thing in the draft, Dareus, Miller, and Perterson are as close as you'll get. Fairley, not so much.

IMHO when your n a huge hole you have to backfill to fix the issue.
If you can't keep the OL off of the LBs the other team is going to run at will.

We we all know that rushing records have been set on us A coulpe times in the past decade.

You dominate the Los and that does not happen. You can have some of the best LB in the game but if the OG is driving the five yards off the Los records get set.

Lets hope finally this year Fox fill that gaping hole on the Los.
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Originally Posted by Traveler

If Carolina does select Dareus, Miller or Peterson have to be the choice if we can't trade out. The talent and value for both those two, plus their more consistent body of work in college justifies their possible selection at #2.

nope, not for me. . . miller i could at least live with-- i'd sooner dig my eye out with a spoon than take patrick peterson over fairley. . . i don't think that guy is nearly as safe a pick as most people make him out to be. . . overhyped prospect who gets a lot of attention because of return skills that will be marginalized at the next level. . . long-levered, straightline fast, not very smart-- excells in press coverage, but hasn't shut down top receivers at the college level. . . i think he could easily be a better-tackling antonio cromartie rather than darrell revis-- and that's shit value at number two, no pun intended. . .

i'll take my chances with fairley's motor-- he was more dominant on the football field than peterson, and no player in this draft has a higher ceiling. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

nope, not for me. . . miller i could at least live with-- i'd sooner dig my eye out with a spoon than take patrick peterson over fairley. . . i don't think that guy is nearly as safe a pick as most people make him out to be. . . overhyped prospect who gets a lot of attention because of return skills that will be marginalized at the next level. . . long-levered, straightline fast, not very smart-- excells in press coverage, but hasn't shut down top receivers at the college level. . . i think he could easily be a better-tackling antonio cromartie rather than darrell revis-- and that's shit value at number two, no pun intended. . .

i'll take my chances with fairley's motor-- he was more dominant on the football field than peterson, and no player in this draft has a higher ceiling. . .

...or lower floor. Too much boom or bust potential for my tastes.

I think Fairley is an ...overhyped prospect who got a lot of attention because of a couple of stellar games who's an underweight, not very smart, one year wonder...

Guess we'll have to wait and see, huh?

More red flags for Nick Fairley: He’s irresponsible, too

Posted by Evan Silva on April 13, 2011, 12:47 PM EDT

Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley’s draft stock has allegedly dropped since the end of the college season, when he was considered in most circles to be the Panthers’ likely choice at No. 1 overall.

The “one-year wonder” label is understandable. Fairley spent two seasons at Auburn, and was productive in only one of them. Fairley’s on-field effort has also been questioned. What we never quite fully grasped were character concerns, mostly because there was nothing specific to make them believable.

Now, there is.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported on SportsCenter Wednesday morning that Fairley has exhibited irresponsible decision making throughout the pre-draft process. Fairley missed his flight to Indianapolis for February’s Scouting Combine, skipped a meeting with a team there, and was also late to a team meeting at Auburn’s Pro Day.

We suppose it’s for all the above reasons that NFL teams are “privately comparing” Fairley to Albert Haynesworth.

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Originally Posted by Ziggy

You're right King. LT did play primarily out of a 3-4 base. Thomas got to the hall of fame in a 4-3 base though. I still believe that Von miller can be that type of player in either scheme.

In the Broncos' case, only if he could excel at Mike. Miller's too good to play
Sam -- and I could not imagine spending a #2 on Sam -- and D.J. is at Will.
So to put Miller at Will, where D.J. excels, and send D.J. to Mike, where D.J.
doesn't excel, would be counterproductive, IMO. Two very good Wills and
mediocre at the other positions doesn't look like improving the team, to me.

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Originally Posted by topscribe

In the Broncos' case, only if he could excel at Mike. Miller's too good to play
Sam -- and I could not imagine spending a #2 on Sam -- and D.J. is at Will.
So to put Miller at Will, where D.J. excels, and send D.J. to Mike, where D.J.
doesn't excel, would be counterproductive, IMO. Two very good Wills and
mediocre at the other positions doesn't look like improving the team, to me.

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Thought I read in the DP there's no guarantee DJ will be with the team this season. He is trade bait.

Originally Posted by Traveler

Thought I read in the DP there's no guarantee DJ will be with the team this season. He is trade bait.

trade bait at a time when players can't be traded. . .

i hate it, but at this point i think we need to assume the draft is going to go down as currently projected, which means only picks can be traded, and that the broncos will proceed accordingly. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

trade bait at a time when players can't be traded. . .

i hate it, but at this point i think we need to assume the draft is going to go down as currently projected, which means only picks can be traded, and that the broncos will proceed accordingly. . .

Didn't infer he could be traded before the draft since we do understand only picks can be traded.

If I recall correctly, the article stated he might not be in the teams plans this season and that he could be traded...period.