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    At the beginning of the preseason, I had the Broncos this year at 11-5 . . .
    well, maybe 10-6, I hedged. And still, I was playing the part of homer, and
    I knew it. I must have been kidding myself. The offensive line was offensive
    . . . in a putrid sort of way. With one gimpy center and another so old I
    should call him "sir," a raw rookie at left tackle, a right guard they had
    dubbed "Too Fat To Play" (or TFTP), no one yet at right tackle, and a left
    guard who had been knocked looney last year, Jay Cutler had about as
    much chance of finishing the season in one piece as I had of winning the
    100 meters at the summer olympics.

    Moreover, the one star the Broncos had at wide receiver had just cut his
    arm into bacon strips after slipping on a McDonald's bag and trying to add
    this arm to the circuitry in his TV . . . or so he said. That's what he gets
    for buying the garbage at McDonald's, but that's another story. Oh, and
    meanwhile, he had successfully recruited his girlfriend as a sparring
    partner, but the local officials were not amused.

    But that was the only problem with the Broncos . . . not. Just another
    minor problem or two, at tight end, running back, field goal kicker, punter,
    defensive tackle, defensive end, and safety. No biggie. Just a couple items.

    My wife apparently saw some red flags there because I couldn't find my
    .357 magnum in the bottom drawer of our chest-of-drawers, so I was still
    around to put on a pair of glasses with a gorgeous shade of orange. Yup,
    I'd say 11-5, if not 10-6 . . . or 6-10. (I took off the glasses momentarily
    to wipe a smudge.)

    Fast forward to today.

    The Broncos have just finished a preseason. I found my .357 and was going
    to use it again, but this time to shoot into the air in celebration. But my
    wife wouldn't let me. Guess she was afraid one of the bullets would come
    back down and hit her miserable cat outside.

    Anyway, the Broncos' first team had played Houston largely to a standstill,
    then whipped the first teams of Dallas and Green Bay. Then they went to
    Phoenix with their second- and third-stringers to face the Cardinals' first
    stringers. And they whipped them.

    Yeah, so it's only preseason. But four games? We gotta draw some
    conclusions from four games, don't we? I mean, no sacks, 117 QB rating for
    Cutler, good running game, the emergence of Fast Eddie Royal, Robertson
    and Thomas looking like studs, linebackers shaping up and showing depth,
    and Marshall kicking butt wherever he aims it . . . oh, and somehow he has
    gotten bailed out of most of his problems. Yes, and every time Prater kicks
    the ball, they have to repace it because they don't have time to go into
    the next county to retrieve it.

    So I have taken off my orange colored glasses . . . I think. So what do I
    think? 11-5. Really.

    Consider:

    The Broncos go into Oakland, blitz their rookie quarterback senseless, and
    Young gets 150 yards. Sweet revenge: The Raiders thought they had
    caught a break with Marshall's absence. Maybe they did: They might have
    lost by 35 points, rather than 20.

    San Diego comes to town to hand the Broncos another 30-3 loss. That is
    their biggest problem, besides a gimpy Merriman and a quarterback who
    talks trash better than he plays football. The Broncos, with Cutler and
    Marshall doing their Montana/Rice routine, surprise the Chargers 21-17.

    The Saints are good, but let's face it: They're not as good as the
    Cowboys, and you know what Clady and company did to them. Besides, it's
    at Invesco. The Broncos head into that game at 2-0 and emerge 3-0, and
    add another win a week later in Kansas City.

    Nothing builds confidence like, well, building confidence. And the Broncos
    have tons of it going into the games against Tampa Bay and Jacksonville.
    Lose? Hey, they're on our turf. Uh-uh.

    If I live to a hundred, I do not know how you let down for New England,
    but that's what our heroes do. The Broncos come out flat, and the pansies
    hang ten more points on us than we can on them.

    Poor Miami. They should have called in sick, rather than come clear out to
    Colorado country to face a bunch of angry Broncos. They go home with
    the only good thing coming out of that game for them being that it came
    to an end.

    For some reason, that didn't take all the rage out of the Broncos because
    the Browns are next to be at the wrong end of an obvious case of assault
    and battery, football style. Several times, I see people staring at Cutler's
    back. I think they are trying to decide whether Elway came out of
    retirement.

    Anyway, the Broncos then dispose of Atlanta and Oakland (yawn).

    The New York Jets game would have been another down week, and
    probably a loss, except that Favre is their leader now. No, he was an
    upgrade for them . . . are you kidding? That's Brett Favre. Except that a
    few Broncos are still around to remember last year. The Jets are just
    another team, but Favre . . . well, that's special. Three sacks and two
    interceptions (by Favre) later, Cutler has vividly demonstrated that there
    has been a changing of the guard.

    The Broncos get ambushed at Carolina, but somehow pull out a victory . . .
    well, I say somehow. Champ's interception for a touchdown had a lot to do
    with it. Oh, and another impression of Elway by Cutler in a fourth quarter
    comeback was probably a factor, too.

    Buffalo? They should have played Denver toward the first of the season,
    not the end. Denver still might have beaten them, but it would not have
    been a massacre. Well, I have to remember, this is football, not a venue
    where you feel sorry for people.

    Oops. San Diego is not surprised this time. By the time the dust settles and
    the blood level sinks down to where we can see what happened, San Diego
    has hung a 24 the Broncos, to the Broncos' 21. After a pristine season,
    Prater picks a hell of a time to miss a last second field goal, but that's life
    in the fast lane, as they say. But Phyllis isn't out there trash-talking on
    Cutler this time. Must be that Cutler has doubled Rivers' yardage and
    thoroughly outplayed him. Problem is, Mr. Tomlinson must have taken the
    first loss seriously, because he just made the Broncos look like the 2007
    version. But we have to remember, it's LT. 'Nuff said.

    So that's how I get to my 11-5 this year . . . oh wait. Did I just count two
    losses? Two (2) losses?

    I need to go home and figure this all out. Oh wait . . . I am home. How
    come everything looks so orange everywhere I look?

    I'm so confused . . .

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    Very entertaining read, top!

    With this team, even with it's weaknesses, I believe we have enough to split games with the Chargers, or even win both.

    I see NE heavily favored to beat us, though, as this season, it will be our pass rush, not our rush defense, that will be our weakness. At least ouor defense will make them earn their points, unlike their efforts last season. It'll be up to our offense to get us the win.

    Aside from those 2 teams, we have a pretty decent, if not good, chance of beating all our other opponents.

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    I still think 10-6 is about the best they'll do this year. To even think about 14-2 is a bit silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeingRed View Post
    I still think 10-6 is about the best they'll do this year. To even think about 14-2 is a bit silly.
    I also think we could go 10-6.

    On a side note, which would be sillier ... to think that we'd go 14-2, or to think that we'd go 2-14?

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    Unless Obama being in Invesco really did jade our team that much, 2-14 is highly unlikely. I'd say anywhere between 9-7 and 12-4 is realistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeingRed View Post
    Unless Obama being in Invesco really did jade our team that much, 2-14 is highly unlikely. I'd say anywhere between 9-7 and 12-4 is realistic.
    I agree. I just like to debunk the belief that we see on these boards, that just because a prediction is overly pessimistic, doesn't make it more realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeingRed View Post
    I still think 10-6 is about the best they'll do this year. To even think about 14-2 is a bit silly.
    Of course. I do have them in my mind at about 11-5.

    I was hoping I would come across as with a bit of silly humor. That was my intent, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topscribe View Post
    Of course. I do have them in my mind at about 11-5.

    I was hoping I would come across as with a bit of silly humor. That was my intent, anyway.

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    That's what I figured. I think a 10-6 or 11-5 is probable and should keep us in contention for a playoff berth. San Diego's record will have a bigger impact on our season than our own record me thinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by topscribe View Post
    At the beginning of the preseason, I had the Broncos this year at 11-5 . . .
    well, maybe 10-6, I hedged. And still, I was playing the part of homer, and
    I knew it. I must have been kidding myself. The offensive line was offensive
    . . . in a putrid sort of way. With one gimpy center and another so old I
    should call him "sir," a raw rookie at left tackle, a right guard they had
    dubbed "Too Fat To Play" (or TFTP), no one yet at right tackle, and a left
    guard who had been knocked looney last year, Jay Cutler had about as
    much chance of finishing the season in one piece as I had of winning the
    100 meters at the summer olympics.

    Moreover, the one star the Broncos had at wide receiver had just cut his
    arm into bacon strips after slipping on a McDonald's bag and trying to add
    this arm to the circuitry in his TV . . . or so he said. That's what he gets
    for buying the garbage at McDonald's, but that's another story. Oh, and
    meanwhile, he had successfully recruited his girlfriend as a sparring
    partner, but the local officials were not amused.

    But that was the only problem with the Broncos . . . not. Just another
    minor problem or two, at tight end, running back, field goal kicker, punter,
    defensive tackle, defensive end, and safety. No biggie. Just a couple items.

    My wife apparently saw some red flags there because I couldn't find my
    .357 magnum in the bottom drawer of our chest-of-drawers, so I was still
    around to put on a pair of glasses with a gorgeous shade of orange. Yup,
    I'd say 11-5, if not 10-6 . . . or 6-10. (I took off the glasses momentarily
    to wipe a smudge.)

    Fast forward to today.

    The Broncos have just finished a preseason. I found my .357 and was going
    to use it again, but this time to shoot into the air in celebration. But my
    wife wouldn't let me. Guess she was afraid one of the bullets would come
    back down and hit her miserable cat outside.

    Anyway, the Broncos' first team had played Houston largely to a standstill,
    then whipped the first teams of Dallas and Green Bay. Then they went to
    Phoenix with their second- and third-stringers to face the Cardinals' first
    stringers. And they whipped them.

    Yeah, so it's only preseason. But four games? We gotta draw some
    conclusions from four games, don't we? I mean, no sacks, 117 QB rating for
    Cutler, good running game, the emergence of Fast Eddie Royal, Robertson
    and Thomas looking like studs, linebackers shaping up and showing depth,
    and Marshall kicking butt wherever he aims it . . . oh, and somehow he has
    gotten bailed out of most of his problems. Yes, and every time Prater kicks
    the ball, they have to repace it because they don't have time to go into
    the next county to retrieve it.

    So I have taken off my orange colored glasses . . . I think. So what do I
    think? 11-5. Really.

    Consider:

    The Broncos go into Oakland, blitz their rookie quarterback senseless, and
    Young gets 150 yards. Sweet revenge: The Raiders thought they had
    caught a break with Marshall's absence. Maybe they did: They might have
    lost by 35 points, rather than 20.

    San Diego comes to town to hand the Broncos another 30-3 loss. That is
    their biggest problem, besides a gimpy Merriman and a quarterback who
    talks trash better than he plays football. The Broncos, with Cutler and
    Marshall doing their Montana/Rice routine, surprise the Chargers 21-17.

    The Saints are good, but let's face it: They're not as good as the
    Cowboys, and you know what Clady and company did to them. Besides, it's
    at Invesco. The Broncos head into that game at 2-0 and emerge 3-0, and
    add another win a week later in Kansas City.

    Nothing builds confidence like, well, building confidence. And the Broncos
    have tons of it going into the games against Tampa Bay and Jacksonville.
    Lose? Hey, they're on our turf. Uh-uh.

    If I live to a hundred, I do not know how you let down for New England,
    but that's what our heroes do. The Broncos come out flat, and the pansies
    hang ten more points on us than we can on them.

    Poor Miami. They should have called in sick, rather than come clear out to
    Colorado country to face a bunch of angry Broncos. They go home with
    the only good thing coming out of that game for them being that it came
    to an end.

    For some reason, that didn't take all the rage out of the Broncos because
    the Browns are next to be at the wrong end of an obvious case of assault
    and battery, football style. Several times, I see people staring at Cutler's
    back. I think they are trying to decide whether Elway came out of
    retirement.

    Anyway, the Broncos then dispose of Atlanta and Oakland (yawn).

    The New York Jets game would have been another down week, and
    probably a loss, except that Favre is their leader now. No, he was an
    upgrade for them . . . are you kidding? That's Brett Favre. Except that a
    few Broncos are still around to remember last year. The Jets are just
    another team, but Favre . . . well, that's special. Three sacks and two
    interceptions (by Favre) later, Cutler has vividly demonstrated that there
    has been a changing of the guard.

    The Broncos get ambushed at Carolina, but somehow pull out a victory . . .
    well, I say somehow. Champ's interception for a touchdown had a lot to do
    with it. Oh, and another impression of Elway by Cutler in a fourth quarter
    comeback was probably a factor, too.

    Buffalo? They should have played Denver toward the first of the season,
    not the end. Denver still might have beaten them, but it would not have
    been a massacre. Well, I have to remember, this is football, not a venue
    where you feel sorry for people.

    Oops. San Diego is not surprised this time. By the time the dust settles and
    the blood level sinks down to where we can see what happened, San Diego
    has hung a 24 the Broncos, to the Broncos' 21. After a pristine season,
    Prater picks a hell of a time to miss a last second field goal, but that's life
    in the fast lane, as they say. But Phyllis isn't out there trash-talking on
    Cutler this time. Must be that Cutler has doubled Rivers' yardage and
    thoroughly outplayed him. Problem is, Mr. Tomlinson must have taken the
    first loss seriously, because he just made the Broncos look like the 2007
    version. But we have to remember, it's LT. 'Nuff said.

    So that's how I get to my 11-5 this year . . . oh wait. Did I just count two
    losses? Two (2) losses?

    I need to go home and figure this all out. Oh wait . . . I am home. How
    come everything looks so orange everywhere I look?

    I'm so confused . . .

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    Either you need to rethink about using your .357 or you already did and your dead man walking...Good luck this year.

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    This is what I posted in the post draft and then start of camp predictions. I still sit in the same place, which is thinking we will likely range from 10-13 wins, with 11-12 being the most.

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    Post draft (4/28/08), I predicted 12-4
    http://broncosforums.com/forums/show...highlight=wins


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    Week 1 — At Oak. Loss
    Week 2 — San Diego. Win
    Week 3 — New Orleans Win
    Week 4 — at KC Win
    Week 5 — Tampa Bay Win
    Week 6 — Jacksonville Win
    Week 7 — at New England Loss
    Oct. 26 — Bye.
    Week 9 — Miami Win
    Week 10 — at Cleveland Win
    Week 11 — at Atlanta Win
    Week 12 — Oakland Loss
    Week 13 — at N.Y. Jets Win
    Week 14 — Kansas City Win
    Week 15 — at Carolina Win
    Week 16 — Buffalo Bills win
    Week 17 — at San Diego Loss

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    In late July I posted:

    http://broncosforums.com/forums/show...ins#post319421


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    The NFL changes so much year to year. I think the Broncos will be much improved, especially on defense, and what Clady can do at LT could have a domino effect on the rest of the line. Is Robertson (sp??) and the young guys ready to produce (marcus thomas, moss) on the line. So, lots of questions.

    On the flip side, what type of team will Oak be? Still horrible, or have they turned a corner? How will KC play with nearly 2/3 of their roster new players.

    What about ATL and TB. Will TB have Favre at QB?

    So, looking at the schedule based on how teams played last year, and considering the improvements I 'expect' to see with the Broncos in '08, I would say:

    Worst case is 10-6 (losses to NE, SD, SD, Jax, and two of TB/NO/Car/Buf)

    Best case is 13-3 (losses to NE, SD and Jax/TB/NO/Car/Buf)

    I think the Broncos will land somewhere in between my best and worse case and I think they will have 11 or 12 wins, based on what appears to be an improved team (I expect the run defense to be much improved, them to give up FAR less than 26.5 points a game, and Cutler to play better than last year) and a fairly easy schedule.

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    Your starting to sound like me Top. But thats 2 more losses then I have Denver getting jk.
    I think 10-6 at worst and 13-3 at best.
    Anything is possible and I do look for great things this year.
    Nice read

    I just cant wait to see our 1st team play a full 60 minutes vs Oakland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tned View Post
    This is what I posted in the post draft and then start of camp predictions. I still sit in the same place, which is thinking we will likely range from 10-13 wins, with 11-12 being the most.

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    Post draft (4/28/08), I predicted 12-4
    http://broncosforums.com/forums/show...highlight=wins


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    Week 1 — At Oak. Loss
    Week 2 — San Diego. Win
    Week 3 — New Orleans Win
    Week 4 — at KC Win
    Week 5 — Tampa Bay Win
    Week 6 — Jacksonville Win
    Week 7 — at New England Loss
    Oct. 26 — Bye.
    Week 9 — Miami Win
    Week 10 — at Cleveland Win
    Week 11 — at Atlanta Win
    Week 12 — Oakland Loss
    Week 13 — at N.Y. Jets Win
    Week 14 — Kansas City Win
    Week 15 — at Carolina Win
    Week 16 — Buffalo Bills win
    Week 17 — at San Diego Loss

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    In late July I posted:

    http://broncosforums.com/forums/show...ins#post319421


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    The NFL changes so much year to year. I think the Broncos will be much improved, especially on defense, and what Clady can do at LT could have a domino effect on the rest of the line. Is Robertson (sp??) and the young guys ready to produce (marcus thomas, moss) on the line. So, lots of questions.

    On the flip side, what type of team will Oak be? Still horrible, or have they turned a corner? How will KC play with nearly 2/3 of their roster new players.

    What about ATL and TB. Will TB have Favre at QB?

    So, looking at the schedule based on how teams played last year, and considering the improvements I 'expect' to see with the Broncos in '08, I would say:

    Worst case is 10-6 (losses to NE, SD, SD, Jax, and two of TB/NO/Car/Buf)

    Best case is 13-3 (losses to NE, SD and Jax/TB/NO/Car/Buf)

    I think the Broncos will land somewhere in between my best and worse case and I think they will have 11 or 12 wins, based on what appears to be an improved team (I expect the run defense to be much improved, them to give up FAR less than 26.5 points a game, and Cutler to play better than last year) and a fairly easy schedule.
    Actually, the post-bye schedule looks pretty easy to me. The pre-bye
    schedule looks like a bear. I would rather have the schedule flipped to
    where we face the pre-bye teams after the bye. But then, that would put
    us in KC probably in December. That is never good.

    On second thought, I'm happy . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayCutler4MVP!!! View Post
    Your starting to sound like me Top.
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    well written, top!


    with all due respect, i think you're crazy as a loon , but you know how to turn a phrase. . . .
    “When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogfish View Post
    well written, top!


    with all due respect, i think you're crazy as a loon , but you know how to turn a phrase. . . .
    11+ wins. Write it down, Tned says it is going to happen.

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