Thread: Game thoughts live london edition

This team is not mentally tough. we have to many consistent mental errors at key points. part of that isMCD and part of that is playersnot plying how they use to or to potential....ut honestly are biggest weakness on this team is mental make-up and the OL....lol

walton and beadles are doing the best they can as rookies...i get that but josh should have had a plan that didnt includ hochstein a the go to guy on the OL for depth...bad call there we have no depth...Ol is horrible and probally will be all year wich is why are offense is so inconsistent. next yer we need to do to our guards what josh did to orton....bring in some serious competition....kuper forgot how to play guard, hochstein and daniels suck and the rooks need to keep working harder....

our secondary is no longer vaunted....to be honest champ forgot how to play corner for a few plays, goodman was clearly playing hurt as he was slow all game, and hill and dawkins forgot how to cover.....dawkins was burned by a FB for a no look pass from smith, and champ just stood there watching...watching champ beg for PI on a coupole plays after losing his WR was sad.....this needs work....squid is legit at nickel and Cox will surely keepi improving in big ways.....but we need competition at safety that can stay healthy....my fear is MCD will milk these guys as long as possible because they are vets. but the fact remains they are costing us games

Our DL has some good puzzle pieces but poor overall talent.....Thomas and vickerson are legit rotation guys at 3-4 end....but at NT we suck....san diego clearly knew jamal was done....bannan isnt a great starter either but he can be a good role model...we need talent here next year at least 1 FA and some high draft picks.....and why the hell is MCbean getting so much playing time when he clearly is the worst DL we have....

At LB haggan and Dj are inconsistent this year...i like both but a impact ILB i needed to up the comptition. At OLB i thnk we are set there.

we also need help at Rb.....

I really belive there are quite a few positives about this team, but you have to wonder how long MCD really has....he lost my full support after last week, but im still somewhat curious to see if he can change this around....

At this point though you have to wonder if we should just blow it up.....but we could be down for the next 3 years.....

anyways.....game was fun, englis h ans were really getting into it...83,000 fans was fun to see....that bs call that nullified Gaffney's TD was the game changer. Denver instantly lost its mental toughness after that...is that coaching or players...i think both....glad we kept fighting but damn....orton cost us some key times though......that final INT ws pathetic......and the fumble in our zone was horrible......

his team has tons of soul searching to do.....can we put a huge win streak together like SD did in 2007 or 2008???? doubtful???? this team has shot its own foot to much this year to recover......

fans can only wonder were do we go from here......but for some prospective we are now 4-13 in our last 17....i dont find it out of line at all for people to be critical right now....

Glad to hear from you INC and I hope you enjoyed yourself in London somewhat! The Moreno/Gaffney/Oilneman call was bs but done deal! I don't have an answer for the BRONCOS but right now, it's not working!! I'll keep the faith that one week the BRONCOS turn it around and hopefully sooner than later!

my opinion we have to many holes to fill cant spend all that money to keep champ....who are the Ravens CBs? doesnt matter bc their front 7 is good....look around the league...My opinion dont resign champ for the big money...I like champ always have but not for the money he wants bc we have to many holes...if we didnt have the holes and had the money to spend i would sign him in a heart beat. now that i think of it Elway always took paycuts so we could sign good players never seen champ do that....guess he doesnt want a championship that bad...just wants to be paid like 99% of the players.

Originally Posted by cuzz4169

my opinion we have to many holes to fill cant spend all that money to keep champ....who are the Ravens CBs? doesnt matter bc their front 7 is good....look around the league...My opinion dont resign champ for the big money...I like champ always have but not for the money he wants bc we have to many holes...if we didnt have the holes and had the money to spend i would sign him in a heart beat. now that i think of it Elway always took paycuts so we could sign good players never seen champ do that....guess he doesnt want a championship that bad...just wants to be paid like 99% of the players.

champs new deal he was about to sign was a paycut....bowlen took it off the table beacuse of the labor uncertainity.....champ may not want to sign any deal with us now anyway...although he did play a part in the loss tonight to.....

I agree the team is not mentally tough. They completely lost their groove after that bullshit chop block call on Moreno. That's the puzzling part for me. With the exception of the Oakland game, they've come out with plenty of fire but lose it quickly. That is a serious concern that needs to be addressed.

I haven't had a chance to rewatch the game but I didn't see any real bad plays on Champ's part.

Originally Posted by Bosco

I agree the team is not mentally tough. They completely lost their groove after that bullshit chop block call on Moreno. That's the puzzling part for me. With the exception of the Oakland game, they've come out with plenty of fire but lose it quickly. That is a serious concern that needs to be addressed.

I haven't had a chance to rewatch the game but I didn't see any real bad plays on Champ's part.

on the huge haiil marry san fran had....dawkins was beat, and champ literally just watched the guy make the catch...normal champ goes and gets that ball period thats how close he was to the play....he knew he messed up to as he was pissed.....dawkins was furious as well.....they both got had by 46 for san fran for a hail marry on that play

mental toughness seems to be the top issue......not sure where the blame lies for that, but this team gets but hurt very easily if things dont go there way........

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

This team is not mentally tough. we have to many consistent mental errors at key points. part of that isMCD and part of that is playersnot plying how they use to or to potential....ut honestly are biggest weakness on this team is mental make-up and the OL....lol

Inc... This mental weakness came a long time ago...
Honestly, since #7 retired, we lost leadership, soul, heart... How many games like this I've seen since that day... too many IMO... And always the same thing : we are soft mentally... we quit...
I'm fed up hearing players saying they will give everything and not seeing it on the field...
I admit the losses... it's part of the game... But I'm fed up seeing those kind of losses... Today and last week... Pathetic...
Who will come on the field and move the players' asses? Who will spirit this team?

This team lacks talent and spirit... May be someone like Tebow can bring back the fighting spirit? If people can doubt about his qualities to be a NFL passer, I guess he has a great leadership (Haven't he shown it in college?).

I hope we'll have a good offseason this year... Bring some talent here...

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

on the huge haiil marry san fran had....dawkins was beat, and champ literally just watched the guy make the catch...normal champ goes and gets that ball period thats how close he was to the play....he knew he messed up to as he was pissed.....dawkins was furious as well.....they both got had by 46 for san fran for a hail marry on that play

mental toughness seems to be the top issue......not sure where the blame lies for that, but this team gets but hurt very easily if things dont go there way........

I don't think Dawkins was beat. From what I saw it looked like Dawkins was in a Cover 2 or Cover 3 zone and was late arriving on the pass, likely because he was back deeper when the ball was thrown.

I'd have to watch it again, but that's what it looked like in the heat of the moment.

Hey INC, You staying in London tonight or back in Italy!?!? What time is it over there??

maybe i missed dawkins coverage read on the play but he and champ failed miserably in my eyes.....

Originally Posted by Nomad

Hey INC, You staying in London tonight or back in Italy!?!? What time is it over there??

its 1100 pm here, going back to italy tomorrow......booo...haha...its been a fun trip....the loss kinda killed it a little. but unless we get blown out like we did last week i forget pretty quickly and move onto the next week.....

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

maybe i missed dawkins coverage read on the play but he and champ failed miserably in my eyes.....

Looked like Champ didn't play it agressive because Dawkins was in position. From the stands and replay board, it looked like it went right through Dawkins hands. I'll have to check it out again on the DVR when I get home at the end of the week.

Originally Posted by Bosco

I don't think Dawkins was beat. From what I saw it looked like Dawkins was in a Cover 2 or Cover 3 zone and was late arriving on the pass, likely because he was back deeper when the ball was thrown.

I'd have to watch it again, but that's what it looked like in the heat of the moment.

Dawkins was in pretty good position by the time the ball got there. It was just a
very, very lucky throw. It probably wouldn't have been completed one out of
twenty times, but that is just the way the Broncos' luck has gone this year.

Truly, I have never seen such a snakebit team . . .

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Originally Posted by topscribe

Dawkins was in pretty good position by the time the ball got there. It was just a
very, very lucky throw. It probably wouldn't have been completed one out of
twenty times, but that is just the way the Broncos' luck has gone this year.

Truly, I have never seen such a snakebit team . . .

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Pretty much. You can add that to an ultra ticky tack chop block call that canceled out a perfectly timed flea flicker that went for a touchdown along with Jarvis Moss deciding to block a guy in the back and cancel out Royal's punt return.

After the Jets loss I said the week I was most looking forward to was the bye week, and that's still true.

Originally Posted by topscribe

Dawkins was in pretty good position by the time the ball got there. It was just a
very, very lucky throw. It probably wouldn't have been completed one out of
twenty times, but that is just the way the Broncos' luck has gone this year.

Truly, I have never seen such a snakebit team . . .

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lol yes this team has been pretty snakebitten, some not there doing and some there own doing.....it would be nice to come out after the bye a new team.....dont think its going to happen though.....i belive keeping orton and MCD around for this year and next year is the right thing to do.....but i would not be upset if this continues and MCD gets the boot....

I have been a fan of the MCD regime, and after the oaklnd game i went to indifference, after this game im at a point where im starting to think i dont like his regime in its entirety at all.....

as i said in a prior post the biggest thing to me seems to be our mental make-up, or lack of mental toughness the last few years......