Last edited by Elevation inc; 10-12-2010 at 01:34 PM.
Denver's 2024 George Paton Draft/FA plan
Draft
RD1- TE Brock Bowers, GA
RD3- QB Spencer Rattler, SC
RD4- CB Josh Newton, TCU
RD5- S Reggie Pearson, OK
RD5- C Michael Jurgens, Wake Forest
RD6- K Jonah Dalmas, Boise St
FA
1. With what money
irrelevant. It's guys looking at tape and making an assumption of what they think the player's assignments/reads are on that particular playcall = subjective and biased.
"Pass coverage"? How the hell do they know what their assignments are? "run blocking"?
I'm not disrespecting their opinion on evaluation, but let's not sit here and pretend they are making an accurate assumption based on the playcall, player's assignments, player reads...etc.
It's biased and subjective, just like any other evaluating format outside the coaches office.
as i stated in a few post in this thread had you read them they even disclaim themselves untill they get actual gametape there will always be errors....
the work they do is about as close to eval as you can get without game tape and far more advanced than posters here...i will rember to make sure not to post it here anymore.....
you all can continue to fight about jay cutler, peyton hillis, mike nolan and brandon marshall since those threads seem to be so much more constructive then genral info some website spent time preparing for fans....
they do all 32 teams every week every play and have for 5 years, so forgive me for feeling they may have some good info...
guess josina tweets are more important
Denver's 2024 George Paton Draft/FA plan
Draft
RD1- TE Brock Bowers, GA
RD3- QB Spencer Rattler, SC
RD4- CB Josh Newton, TCU
RD5- S Reggie Pearson, OK
RD5- C Michael Jurgens, Wake Forest
RD6- K Jonah Dalmas, Boise St
FA
1. With what money
RE-focused week 5 Baltimore vs Denver
Though Kyle Orton broke 300 passing yards for the fourth consecutive game, Baltimore’s pass defense limited the explosive Denver air attack just enough to decide the game on the ground — where the Ravens dominated, out-rushing the Broncos by almost 200 yards and gaining 2 yards more per carry.
An undisciplined showing by Denver, in which the Broncos were penalized 10 times, worked against Kyle Orton and company almost as much as the Ravens’ defense.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...cos-at-ravens/
Last edited by Elevation inc; 10-12-2010 at 02:08 PM.
Denver's 2024 George Paton Draft/FA plan
Draft
RD1- TE Brock Bowers, GA
RD3- QB Spencer Rattler, SC
RD4- CB Josh Newton, TCU
RD5- S Reggie Pearson, OK
RD5- C Michael Jurgens, Wake Forest
RD6- K Jonah Dalmas, Boise St
FA
1. With what money
Unless the coaches explain to them the specifics of the particular play, there will always be errors.
I think the opinion concept is kind of the driving force behind any, and all message boards.
josina has some good info..
I don't click into those misinformed threads either.
Making a tackle from behind after they have gained 4 +yards does not have the same effect as stopping them at or behind the LOS. IMO not sure if that is in there grading scale but it is in mine.
Unlike a lot of fans and members I have never been uber impressed with Kuper HE IMHO is a good ORG but will never be a pro bowler unless that is we win the super bowl and go undefeated then more players get allocades than maybe should get them.
Lets hope that they are gassed after the late game last night..
If we can do no huddle for the first 4 series they should wilt after that, playing at mile high with hopefully a home field crowd just might do it.
Actually one of the holding calls came when kuper got hung up on another player and could not get the blitzer and Walton had to take him down opposed to Orton getting creamed.
I used to play ORG and that is part of the reason I'm not overly impressed with Kuper. maybe he is better than I think but I watch him a lot and he is certainly not what he was last year.
So is respecting work put in by members to add content to the board. Are they definitive? Who the Hell knows; all we have are our own opinions, and every guy here who posts a lot on football issues has been catastrophically wrong about some aspect of the team or another over the past decade. That includes a few members here (whose names shall remain undisclosed) who have been known to come off as know-it-all blowhards from time to time notwithstanding their own near perfect records of being nearly always wrong. Me? I thought Brian Griese was going to be the next big thing after the 2000 season. The rest of you can remember your own embarrassing pronouncements.I think the opinion concept is kind of the driving force behind any, and all message boards.
Point is, when a guy puts in work to add valid content to the board it doesn't make much sense for anyone to belittle the guy or mock his source. Just skip the damned thing. Its not written anywhere that everyone has to weigh in on every topic. I skip all Brett Favre related threads for example...
“What fresh hell is this?”
"A man who picks a cat up by the tail learns something which he can learn in no other way." - Mark Twain
I for one really enjoy hearing from you on this and give you as satnding ovation for taking the time to do this for us.
Anyone that thinks it is crap keep your thoughts to your self or ignore the threads he starts.
same as above there are ingrates in every forum do not let them get you down.
good post
Thanks for posting this
This guy is putting time and effort into this for the betterment of the forum, there is not need for anyone to crap on his effort.
It is understood that any grading system outside of the teams film room will have inaccuracies and those we will never see so take the reports for what they are better guesstimates than what 90% of the forum members make. They are at lest unbiased and will have the same inaccuracies for all teams.
Or at least I appreciate the time and effort that he has put into this. and realize that it will not be perfect.
Yeah, I dont get it at all. It is something to talk about, it is broncos and it is fun. Plus it is an evaluation.
How many times have people here gone GAGA over someone TC camp reports? We all do and we eat it up. Why arent we harping them?
I said last year that I thought Chad Jackson and Tim Crowder were looking awesome and we would regret it if we cut them. Well, so far I was Waaay off. But no one is giving me hell for it. Yet, most people high fived or MHS me for my evaluation. I did not have replay, slomo or cameras to break shit down. I do not even know the blocking schemes or plays run. I never played madden. I just know what looks good and what doesnt and report that.
These guys do the same thing, but they are less Bias then me. And they have replay, slowmo, films, and a general idea of what the play is called and who is supposed to do what and go where. Plus, they also have thoughts and ideas that we may not.
These are not bad at all, but for the neg nancies, can you say these Broncos Evaluation threads are worse than the Jagsbach TT is the second coming threads?
Get real, give him a break, and reply if you must, but do it in regards to the info and not someone who is doing something that I and others really enjoy.
The Plan at the moment:
Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).
Players I want:
Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell
I'm sorry, are you personally involved in this project or something? That's the only reason I can see you being so offended.
Look, as I said in my original post, I appreciate what these guys are doing, the work that goes into it and the fact that they can admit they're giving out grades without enough info, but that doesn't change the fact that much of their analysis is WRONG. It's not just coverage assignments either (which btw, I and many others can tell you the basic coverage breakdown from TV broadcasts on about 85% of all plays) but other simple things like blocking assignments and the like.
If you want to keep posting them here, fine, be my guest. I certainly don't mind either way. Just understand that this analysis you're posting is literally a crap shoot as to whether it's correct or not and in my not so humble opinion, the knowledge and accuracy of those doing the analysis is just as legitimate of a discussion point.
I think where Elevation is frustrated, is he is trying to bring something to the board to elevate the discussion above the normal sniping of "McDoofus" etc., and is feeling criticized without any alternate analysis being provided. I.E. griping without suggestions as to improvement.
I think we all get your point of "take it for what it's worth", and your comments that they sometimes don't even diagnose zone vs. man correctly is definitely something to keep in mind (especially if you had an example of it), but overall, it is nice to see something generated outside of Denver that at least attempts to give an unbiased view of each players individual performance. If you've got something better, by all means let us look at it.
anyone discrediting the site is being insanely nitpicky. no, it's not a perfect site, but it's absolutely better than any other form of analysis that we have access to. elevation is paying for this info and sharing it with us, which i appreciate greatly.
so until one of you debby-downers is going to go through every snap and do your own player-by-player analysis, then just smile and take this stuff for whatever you think it's worth, but don't shit all over the thread.
elevation.
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