Thread: Jay Cutler=The Second coming of Jake Plummer

Originally Posted by silver_black

wow.

with our inept passing game i actually felt more comfortable with Cutler throwing the ball.

your take is interesting though

We won, you lost, we won, you lost Hehehe, just kidding man.

I wouldn't call your passing game inept.

Last week, you passed for 283 yards and rushed for 92; now, you passed for 53 yards, but rushed for 200.

I'd say it was just a match-up thing; you were able to pass better against Detroit, and you were able to run much better against Denver. McCown's injured finger might have even played a factor in that. Your team, though, is much improved compared to last season, and you've lost 2 games that were definitely within reach. You have to admit Kiffin is doing a real good job, and the Raiders are playing much better than last season.

Cutler did play well again. The only knock I STILL have on him is fumbled snaps. Whether they are from under center, or shotgun, they are still happening.

Don't tell me the one today was Nalens fault. Cutler was a little non-chalant and it hit him in both hands and fumbled.

This is not pop warner..its the NFL.

*finishes reading post, puts away flamethrower*

Cutler has a lot to improve upon, but he has that "it" factor you just cannot teach. It's a team game, and today the whole team perservered (with a little luck again) but I thought Jay showed a lot of poise in the drive to tie the game up. That's what you look for, poise in a quarterback. Sure, he made some mistakes - but he didn't dwell on them and get rattled. (Much like Jackson, the Vikings 2nd year QB did today, continually making them, and visually looking frustrated on the sidelines and on the field.) Jay is going to be a real good one.

What dream said!

Rivers looked extremely flustered tonight agains the Pats as well.

Originally Posted by dogfish

*finishes reading post, puts away flamethrower*

Few its a good thing you read the whole post because I don't fill like being burnt to a crisp today.

Well...

I'm really impressed by Jay...
Can an expert tell me how many young QB in NFL history have won 2 games in row with comebacks like he did?

Sure, he makes mistakes...
First, he doesn't have a lot of experience and this will be fixed...
Last, it's part of his game... Look at John or Brett... They were gambler too... They made some mistakes, but they made more plays by playing like that...

Too bad though Kubiak is gone... I think he would has been a great mentor for Jay... But I think Shanny will teach him many things anyway...

Jay had 2 games with more than 250 passing yards... Not too bad... he just has to improve about snaps and Int and go on working hard...

BTW, I'm more concerned by our D against run than by Cutler

Originally Posted by Watchthemiddle

Cutler did play well again. The only knock I STILL have on him is fumbled snaps. Whether they are from under center, or shotgun, they are still happening.

Don't tell me the one today was Nalens fault. Cutler was a little non-chalant and it hit him in both hands and fumbled.

This is not pop warner..its the NFL.

He was probably shocked that Nalen actually snapped one straight.

The run defense is terrible. Unless it is fixed soon this is going to be a long season.

Originally Posted by Watchthemiddle

Cutler did play well again. The only knock I STILL have on him is fumbled snaps. Whether they are from under center, or shotgun, they are still happening.

Don't tell me the one today was Nalens fault. Cutler was a little non-chalant and it hit him in both hands and fumbled.

This is not pop warner..its the NFL.

I don't want to knock Nalen around but both of those fumbled snaps from the last two games were not good snaps.

Originally Posted by Dean

The run defense is terrible. Unless it is fixed soon this is going to be a long season.

I think it will improve, Dean. We have an awful lot of inexperience right now,
with Gordon, Burton, and Thomas at DT. In addition, they are trying both to
gain experience and to jell at the same time.

Moreover, while Williams is improving dramatically at his new position, he isn't
there yet. I still believe we'll see it stiffen considerably about the fifth or sixth
game into the season, or so.

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The scheme of keeping your D-ends out in a very wide 9 technique creates a natural hole off tackle. It can be closed by the tackle getting penetration, stunting a LB or safety, bringing a safety up in run support, or tightening the D-end's alignment on running downs. We haven't seemed interested in choosing one or more of those options and I personally feel Jay is going to suffer because of it.

We haven't even seen the better running backs, yet.

I don't see Jay as the second coming of Jake though they appear to share the same willingness to try to make the big play. Unless the defense can take more pressure off of Jay those turnovers will be fatal. No one not even Elway can come back in the closing seconds every week.

By allowing 200 yards rushing you shift the pressure to the QB and give him less offensive time with the ball in which to make plays. It will put him in a predictable passing mode. An inexperienced QB with a tendency to gamble is forced into having to make the big play to win the game. I can't see this as anything positive for Cutler's development and there are similarities to games that we have all witnessed in the past five years.

Originally Posted by Dean

The scheme of keeping your D-ends out in a very wide 9 technique creates a natural hole off tackle. It can be closed by the tackle getting penetration, stunting a LB or safety, bringing a safety up in run support, or tightening the D-end's alignment on running downs. We haven't seemed interested in choosing one or more of those options and I personally feel Jay is going to suffer because of it.

We haven't even seen the better running backs, yet.

I don't see Jay as the second coming of Jake though they appear to share the same willingness to try to make the big play. Unless the defense can take more pressure off of Jay those turnovers will be fatal. No one not even Elway can come back in the closing seconds every week.

By allowing 200 yards rushing you shift the pressure to the QB and give him less offensive time with the ball in which to make plays. It will put him in a predictable passing mode. An inexperienced QB with a tendency to gamble is forced into having to make the big play to win the game. I can't see this as anything positive for Cutler's development and there are similarities to games that we have all witnessed in the past five years.

In Bates' scheme, that hole is generally the linebacker's responsibility, isn't
it? Is it just me, or have most of the big gainers been off the left (offensive)
side? That is primarily Gold's area, isn't it? Is Gold getting consistently blocked?

I did not bother to observe any of the because I was very tired during that
time, and I just looked at the game. But I did notice what seemed the
increased involvement of Lynch in the latter stages.

But it seems we have a combination of factors that could contribute toward
the problems with the run: (1) inexperience at DT, with Adams being the
only real seasoned vet, (2) light weight DEs, with Rice, Dumervil, and Moss
being good pass rushers but marginal defenders against the run (I think
they miss Ekuban big time), and (3) Gold, who is good chasing a play ran
away from him (when he remembers to wrap up) but is undersized for
dealing with those right at him.

I believe much of this will be improved as the DTs become more experienced
and begin to jell, and maybe Crowder, who is better at run support than the
other DEs (except Engelberger, of course), will make a difference as he
returns to the lineup . . . but it's going to be probably a couple weeks
before gets back into the swing of things, and he's also a rookie, anyway.

With Ekuban out of the lineup and a so-so Gold in there, I don't believe
we'll be a top 10 team in the run . . . we'll improve, but we wont be a
juggernaut in that area, IMO.

Next year, I believe we need to hope Ekuban recovers and get another
stout DE, and find a LB at WILL who is better at run support. This year,
we just need to hope that our running game matches theirs and that Cutler
continues to play beyond his de facto rookie status.

IMHO.



(I just noticed how off-topic this is. Sorry.)

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Originally Posted by topscribe

In Bates' scheme, that hole is generally the linebacker's responsibility, isn't
it? Is it just me, or have most of the big gainers been off the left (offensive)
side? That is primarily Gold's area, isn't it? Is Gold getting consistently blocked?

I did not bother to observe any of the because I was very tired during that
time, and I just looked at the game. But I did notice what seemed the
increased involvement of Lynch in the latter stages.

But it seems we have a combination of factors that could contribute toward
the problems with the run: (1) inexperience at DT, with Adams being the
only real seasoned vet, (2) light weight DEs, with Rice, Dumervil, and Moss
being good pass rushers but marginal defenders against the run (I think
they miss Ekuban big time), and (3) Gold, who is good chasing a play ran
away from him (when he remembers to wrap up) but is undersized for
dealing with those right at him.

I believe much of this will be improved as the DTs become more experienced
and begin to jell, and maybe Crowder, who is better at run support than the
other DEs (except Engelberger, of course), will make a difference as he
returns to the lineup . . . but it's going to be probably a couple weeks
before gets back into the swing of things, and he's also a rookie, anyway.

With Ekuban out of the lineup and a so-so Gold in there, I don't believe
we'll be a top 10 team in the run . . . we'll improve, but we wont be a
juggernaut in that area, IMO.

Next year, I believe we need to hope Ekuban recovers and get another
stout DE, and find a LB at WILL who is better at run support. This year,
we just need to hope that our running game matches theirs and that Cutler
continues to play beyond his de facto rookie status.

IMHO.

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You know we might have to replace Adams as well not because poor play because he's ready to hang them up.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

You know we might have to replace Adams as well not because poor play because he's ready to hang them up.

Well, Adams thinks he wants to play for another couple years, and he looked
pretty spry out there the last couple games.

But even at that, it wouldn't hurt to bolster the group. Thomas has a terrific
upside, but outside him and Adams, I question the group. Maybe with
experience, they can begin to assuage my worries. I hope so . . .

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