Thread: How about trading foxworth?

I say sign them both and trade Bly. Cheaper, younger, better...

Originally Posted by underrated29

i DID NOt notice that. I will have to check that out. I dont understand all the bly hating going on. But if what you said is true, then the only thing i can imagine as to why would be:

1. paymah is good at jamming the guy at the LOS and bump and run.
2. Bly is a ball hawk, having him work on #3 might allow him to jump the route or pick the ball from the timing disruption of payms jam,

3. Bates system and his system sucked.

Its deserved. His "Im a playmaker, I make plays" mantra hurts us more than it helps us...the fact that he isnt at least somewhat judicious in terms of when he takes chances, exposes us to enormous risk. He's kind of the equivalent of what Sammy Sosa was to situational hitting. If there was a guy on second in a close game with two outs and Sosa at the plate, Sosa would routinely strike our swinging from his heals trying to hit a HR. And then on top of that, the guy is always commenting to the media and frequently deflects blame.

Originally Posted by lex

Its deserved. His "Im a playmaker, I make plays" mantra hurts us more than it helps us...the fact that he isnt at least somewhat judicious in terms of when he takes chances, exposes us to enormous risk. He's kind of the equivalent of what Sammy Sosa was to situational hitting. If there was a guy on second in a close game with two outs and Sosa at the plate, Sosa would routinely strike our swinging from his heals trying to hit a HR. And then on top of that, the guy is always commenting to the media and frequently deflects blame.

Yes, and it had nothing to do with the fact that our corners had to cover thier man far longer than any CB should have. I'll wait until we have at least an average pass rush before I pass judgement on Bly.

Originally Posted by lex

Its deserved. His "Im a playmaker, I make plays" mantra hurts us more than it helps us...the fact that he isnt at least somewhat judicious in terms of when he takes chances, exposes us to enormous risk. He's kind of the equivalent of what Sammy Sosa was to situational hitting. If there was a guy on second in a close game with two outs and Sosa at the plate, Sosa would routinely strike our swinging from his heals trying to hit a HR. And then on top of that, the guy is always commenting to the media and frequently deflects blame.

I like Bly, Hes just the type of CB you need a good ball hawking Safety behind... John Lynch covering anybodies ass deep is failure from start...

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Yes, and it had nothing to do with the fact that our corners had to cover thier man far longer than any CB should have. I'll wait until we have at least an average pass rush before I pass judgement on Bly.

Ill toast to that! Because we even saw Champ get roasted more than usual last year... We definitly need more pass rushing on the outside and a bigger push up the middle also before i bash Bly. I just think hes better in the nickle.

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Yes, and it had nothing to do with the fact that our corners had to cover thier man far longer than any CB should have. I'll wait until we have at least an average pass rush before I pass judgement on Bly.

Thats just it. When your DLine doesnt get pressure, you can less afford to take the kind of chances Bly does because youre more susceptible to getting burnt deep. The play vs Oakland in Denver where Porter burnt him and then the MNF game vs Green Bay were just two examples of Bly getting burnt on the short fake knowing the offense has every reason in the world to take their chances deep. The lack of a pass rush didnt really affect how he played and thats one reason its so poor.

Lex if i recall those were the only two plays where bly really did get burnt. Other then that he was pretty lock down and made several ints for us.

You also have to consider besides the pass rush (lack thereof) that we had bates not good system and our corners (this is most important to their down years) could not concentrate on what corners do best. Covering thier guys, they had to worry about tackling the runner because they were the last defense as the runningbacks were already 10 yards down field past the line and linebackers. If the corners didnt stop him it was a td.

So they didnt just cover thier guys for a long time they had to worry about stopping the runner as soon as possible. If you will notice we got burnt by runs the most and the longst on the left side or blys side. When watching him play you can see he first has to watch the rb then the defender.

Bly is a great cb, he does take chances and Casino said it right, with a good saftey behind bly just in case and champ locking down the other side there should be no complaints at all........I think slows new scheme will show how good Bly reall is.

Originally Posted by underrated29

No one wants foxworth. Thats the problem. He is worth a 3rd pick because of his character and ability, but no one is going to pay it. Shanny wont dump him for less than a third either.

So we sit tight, hope some upcomming team loses their cbs to injury (was,atl,nyj,tpa,sfo) and then rape them in a trade like we always do.

Hard part is waiting, because its unlikely to happen.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure Foxworth was shopped all over the league before and during the draft.

Shanahan would deal him if a fair offer presented itself IMO. Problem is, his idea of a fair deal and the rest of the league are two different things.

Originally Posted by Bief Stue

I get them all mixed up. Which one is the white guy?

I thought they only let white guys play QB and Kicker now.

Originally Posted by BaileyTheBest

I thought they only let white guys play QB and Kicker now.

nope. hockey.

Originally Posted by CasinoRoyal

Uhh yes there is a way we resign the both of them because Bailey and Bly both are getting up in age. Maybe we dont resign Foxworth if he wants does not want to sit another year. However im hearing theres a chance Foxworth actually starts this year. I highly doubt the Broncos want to draft rookies and have them step in right away when Bly and Bailey are done. Would be smarter to have Paymah, Foxworth, Jack Williams and then draft a talented rookie if your not comfortable with them. But Bly and Bailey dont have much longer. Im guessing about 2 more years of playing at an high level.

Both Bly and Bailey still have some very productive years ahead of them. Even more productive if they can be helped with a pass rush.

That said, I doubt if Foxy and Paymah are both on the team next year. We won't keep both until Bly and Bailey are both gone.
If we did, could you imagine Foxy and Paymah as our starters. That would scare the crap out of me.
Foxworth isn't great by any means. He's a nickle at best and is not a good saftey. Paymah is comming on, we'll see if he's the hier to Bailey or Bly this year. Foxworth is not.

IMO, Bly and Baileys replacments are not even on the roster yet.

So your saying we should draft a young CB high sometime within the next 2 years? Im not saying Bly nor Bailey is nowhere near done. I thnk they both have atleast 2-3 great years left before they hit the decline button. I just would rather have 2 young corners who learned from the best rather than draft a young one who may take another 2-3 years to develope. And i think moving Fox to Safety was stupid from day1. Just like moving DJ to MLB and SSLB was stupid. Fox showed his rookie year he could play the game and play it well.

Originally Posted by CasinoRoyal

So your saying we should draft a young CB high sometime within the next 2 years? Im not saying Bly nor Bailey is nowhere near done. I thnk they both have atleast 2-3 great years left before they hit the decline button. I just would rather have 2 young corners who learned from the best rather than draft a young one who may take another 2-3 years to develope. And i think moving Fox to Safety was stupid from day1. Just like moving DJ to MLB and SSLB was stupid. Fox showed his rookie year he could play the game and play it well.

I don't think anyone here would argue that Foxworth at safety is a horrible idea, and I agree with what you said about DJ too. I'll give both of them credit for not bitching and whining to the media. They were professionals... did what they were asked to do.

I think we draft a safety before we draft another corner.

Originally Posted by underrated29

Lex if i recall those were the only two plays where bly really did get burnt. Other then that he was pretty lock down and made several ints for us.

No, he had other bad plays too.

You also have to consider besides the pass rush (lack thereof) that we had bates not good system and our corners (this is most important to their down years) could not concentrate on what corners do best. Covering thier guys, they had to worry about tackling the runner because they were the last defense as the runningbacks were already 10 yards down field past the line and linebackers. If the corners didnt stop him it was a td.

That might apply to Champ but Bly is a gloryhound who is only worried about interceptions.

So they didnt just cover thier guys for a long time they had to worry about stopping the runner as soon as possible. If you will notice we got burnt by runs the most and the longst on the left side or blys side. When watching him play you can see he first has to watch the rb then the defender.

See above.

Bly is a great cb, he does take chances and Casino said it right, with a good saftey behind bly just in case and champ locking down the other side there should be no complaints at all........I think slows new scheme will show how good Bly reall is.

He is not a great CB. Any CB looks a lot better when theres a pass rush. He showed nothing (other than how selfish he is) with a minimal pass rush.

Lex what the hell are you talking about saying Bly is selfish? Bly plays as hard as he possibly can. hes just a gambler. That does not make him selfish. Your like the most negative Bronco fan i ever heard of in my life. First your bitter because we drafted a LT and not one of your personal favorites. Then Bly is selfish because he wants to get INTS that helps the Broncos win?