Thread: Last movie you saw - and rate it

Originally Posted by aberdien

Tombstone isn't even top 10 western though.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

I don't like any western made further back than the 90s

My favorite western is Jeff Bridges version of Rooster Cogbern.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I think a “western” needs to be in the Old West. I think that’s probably the largest component to the genre.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand why someone might say it’s a western, but I don’t think it’s a western. Vigilante justice isn’t a motif that’s unique to westerns, and I don’t think cowboy hats in Mississippi can make something a western. That’s more of a post-slavery antebellum revenge movie in my mind, despite some of the costumes.

I'd argue that, whether set in the west or not, the primary characteristic is that westerns deal with a changing frontier. And since revisionist western give a little more freedom, I would include Django in that.

By your narrow definition I think half of my list wouldn't qualify as westerns.

Originally Posted by aberdien

I'd argue that, whether set in the west or not, the primary characteristic is that westerns deal with a changing frontier. And I would include Django in that.

By your narrow definition I think half of my list wouldn't qualify as westerns.

I saw that. Also, if we define our list of westerns under your terms, Hell or High Water would be extremely high on my list.

In fact, if I were to make a list under abe’s definition of a western, I don’t think there’d be a western in my top 5.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I saw that. Also, if we define our list of westerns under your terms, Hell or High Water would be extremely high on my list.

Forgot about that one.

We need more top 10 westerns lists in this thread though.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

In fact, if I were to make a list under abe’s definition of a western, I don’t think there’d be a western in my top 5.

You and Dave just need to open your mind and allow the more creative westerns that don't neatly fit the cheesy 1950s technicolor studio definition emerge.

Originally Posted by aberdien

Forgot about that one.

We need more top 10 westerns lists in this thread though.

No Country For Old Men
Hell or High Water
Tombstone
Unforgiven
True Grit
There Will Be Blood
Django Unchained
The Assassination of Jesse James
The Revenant
The Hateful Eight
Sicario

Honorary mention to Buster Scruggs - not really, but that hanging scene with James Franco is funny as shit "first time"

TV Shows

Deadwood
Hell on Wheels
How the West was Won
That Robert Redford 8 part series as well

Screw your Bonanza or Lone Ranger drivel

Best overall Frontier experience.......RDR2! If only you could rattle prossies

Originally Posted by aberdien

You and Dave just need to open your mind and allow the more creative westerns that don't neatly fit the cheesy 1950s technicolor studio definition emerge.

I lied. There Will Be Blood.

Top 5 westerns (Mo’s definition):
1. There Will Be Blood
2. Unforgiven
3. Tombstone
4. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
5. Jeremiah Johnson

Top 5 “westerns” (Abe’s definition)
1. There Will Be Blood
2. Django Unchained
3. Hell or High Water
4. Star Wars IV
5. No Country For Old Men
(There’s only one western on this list.)

Lol.

Star wars IV is more of an old samurai movie.

Originally Posted by Timmy!

Lol.

Star wars IV is more of an old samurai movie.

It’s new damn frontier, alright.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

It’s new damn frontier, alright.

Is Tatooine west? Anybody got a galaxy map?

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

No Country For Old Men
Hell or High Water
Tombstone
Unforgiven
True Grit
There Will Be Blood
Django Unchained
The Assassination of Jesse James
The Revenant
The Hateful Eight
Sicario

Honorary mention to Buster Scruggs - not really, but that hanging scene with James Franco is funny as shit "first time"

TV Shows

Deadwood
Hell on Wheels
How the West was Won
That Robert Redford 8 part series as well

Screw your Bonanza or Lone Ranger drivel

Best overall Frontier experience.......RDR2! If only you could rattle prossies

I would like to know if you've seen the following westerns and I will state my case for giving them a chance/second chance:

The Searchers (1956) - Without The Searchers, we would not have Goodfellas. It's Scorsese's favorite. It has John Wayne in it and it does feature some level of the stuff you hate...but it balances it with a more revisionist and thoughtful characterization of the old west mentality (ie, racism) and how moral that mentality was. There is a surprising level of depth to its characters, which is why it's one of my favorite movies in general. It's the belle of the ball of westerns.

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962) - The second belle of the ball of westerns...it also includes John Wayne, but it has Jimmy Stewart in it too. It's a little different than The Searchers in that it's told in a flashback and deals more with the lawman telling about how he killed an outlaw once and how it has affected him. It's hard to beat.

Fistful of Dollars (1964); The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (1966) - This is basically Tarantino before Tarantino existed.

My Darling Clementine (1946) - This is the best version of the Wyatt Earp/OK Corral mythology in movies. Puts Tombstone to shame.

High Noon (1952) - Come on Dave. A western that takes place in real time and deals with a lot of political allegory relating to the Red Scare commie blacklisting during the Cold War. Your pacifist, hippy ass should love this movie and all it represents.

The Wild Bunch (1969) - The American West is ending. The outlaws are aging. They know they won't survive in the new frontier and they want to go on one final debauched run in Mexico. It's violent, unsympathetic, and morally dubious.

Get your shit together dudes. Embrace the quirks of the old theater style of acting and focus more on the story and the depth of the characters.

Originally Posted by Timmy!

Lol.

Star wars IV is more of an old samurai movie.

Westerns are basically Samurai movies fine tuned for an American audience.

See: Clint Eastwood's first movie as a leading man, A Fistful of Dollars, which is a remake of Akira Kurosawa's samurai movie Yojimbo made 3 years earlier.

Ready Player One - 7/10

It was a decent western.

Originally Posted by aberdien

Westerns are basically Samurai movies fine tuned for an American audience.

See: Clint Eastwood's first movie as a leading man, A Fistful of Dollars, which is a remake of Akira Kurosawa's samurai movie Yojimbo made 3 years earlier.

So they’re all just really Samurai movies?