Thread: Orton Earns Contract Extension

Originally Posted by I Eat Staples

My oh my. I'm sorry, I didn't know I was having a conversation with someone who doesn't know the meaning of average. Perhaps we should try mediocre? Middle of the pack? Medium? Moderate? So-so? If you want to make comparisons to players, he has a stronger arm than Brees or Pennington, but a weaker arm than Cutler or McNab. Try a slightly weaker arm than Peyton Manning. You know who he is, right?

Well, I take it you can't define the term, so my advice to you is not to use it.

Oh, by the way, while you are trying turn your own comparison of QBs into
fact without any form of documentation, I will repeat this (again): In a well
documented QB contest, Kyle Orton, then a senior in high school, threw the
ball 74 yards. In the 2002 QB Challenge, full-grown Peyton Manning managed
68 yards. Sort of kicks your assumption in the head, doesn't it?

And please don't bring up the accuracy issue. I know - we all know - Peyton
has been more accurate passing deep. But you used the term "weaker." I'm
taking it as you wrote it.

As for mobility...I'm well aware of his ankle injuries, and if I'm not mistaken then yes, I believe I do have a fair idea of what a high ankle sprain is. I watched Orton every game last year, and a few games in his 2 previous years. He looked like a statue in the pocket. Yes, I saw his mobility against Detroit. I was quite surprised when I saw him run right and between the linemen and then deliver a well-thrown ball to Gaffney. If he's that mobile throughout the season, it will be a very pleasant surprise. But I'll judge him on 3 years, more so than one game. And from what I've seen in those 3 years, he's completely immobile.

Actually, you either are saying you have watched Orton but haven't, or you
must have slept through games. Because anybody who managed to stay awake
through Saturday's game saw a mobile Broncos QB in the first half who knows
how to handle a strong rush. (He said in the post game presser that he didn't
like to have to do it, but even he acknowledged that he did it well, as did
McDaniels in his own presser.)

As I said, this has been the topic in some conversations since, but I guess
you missed those, too . . .

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Originally Posted by dogfish

I just hope our offensive and defensive lines battle have as hard as the folks in the Orton good/Orton bad and McD great/McD sucks debates. If they do, then we should be fine this season.

Originally Posted by Tned

I just hope our offensive and defensive lines battle have as hard as the folks in the Orton good/Orton bad and McD great/McD sucks debates. If they do, then we should be fine this season.

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Originally Posted by pnbronco

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Now, if only Orton was as nimble as these guys.....

The crazy thing is that we all want the same thing, for the Broncos to put up wins. I can't imagine that deep down anyone really wants someone like Orton to do bad, which means the Broncos do bad, just because they feel so strongly that he isn't the answer.

As fans of the team, we should all hope Kyle has such a great year that McDaniels feels he has no choice but to sign him to ANOTHER extension after this season, even with a first round pick holding a clipboard (not that they actually hold clipboards anymore).

As fun as it is to watch fans throw cut blocks at each other (:sarcasm, I can't wait for the season to start and see our team putting up W's and making us proud!!!!

Originally Posted by topscribe

Well, I take it you can't define the term, so my advice to you is not to use it.

Oh, by the way, while you are trying turn your own comparison of QBs into
fact without any form of documentation, I will repeat this (again): In a well
documented QB contest, Kyle Orton, then a senior in high school, threw the
ball 74 yards. In the 2002 QB Challenge, full-grown Peyton Manning managed
68 yards. Sort of kicks your assumption in the head, doesn't it?

And please don't bring up the accuracy issue. I know - we all know - Peyton
has been more accurate passing deep. But you used the term "weaker." I'm
taking it as you wrote it.

I gave five synonyms for average. If you still don't know what the word means, look it up yourself before replying to me again.

Provide a link that Orton threw farther than Manning. If it's true, I'll acknowledge that he has a slightly stronger arm than Peyton Manning. But my point stands - Orton's deep ball is extremely inaccurate. Having a decent or strong arm means nothing if you can't throw accurately beyond 25 yards.

Actually, you either are saying you have watched Orton but haven't, or you
must have slept through games. Because anybody who managed to stay awake
through Saturday's game saw a mobile Broncos QB in the first half who knows
how to handle a strong rush. (He said in the post game presser that he didn't
like to have to do it, but even he acknowledged that he did it well, as did
McDaniels in his own presser.)

As I said, this has been the topic in some conversations since, but I guess
you missed those, too . . .

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Um, work on your reading comprehension? I clearly stated that Orton's mobility during the Lions game was pleasantly surprising. Go back and read my post again. He was very mobile during that game. He was very immobile for 3 years before it. Would you rather judge a player on one game or 3 years?

Originally Posted by Tned

Now, if only Orton was as nimble as these guys.....

The crazy thing is that we all want the same thing, for the Broncos to put up wins. I can't imagine that deep down anyone really wants someone like Orton to do bad, which means the Broncos do bad, just because they feel so strongly that he isn't the answer.

As fans of the team, we should all hope Kyle has such a great year that McDaniels feels he has no choice but to sign him to ANOTHER extension after this season, even with a first round pick holding a clipboard (not that they actually hold clipboards anymore).

As fun as it is to watch fans throw cut blocks at each other (:sarcasm, I can't wait for the season to start and see our team putting up W's and making us proud!!!!

I agree with you completely, very well said. And I actually really like Orton, I've stated already that I feel he has what it takes to lead a team to a superbowl. But I recognize both his strengths and weaknesses. The person I'm arguing with simply refuses to acknowledge any of Orton's weaknesses, claiming that he's great at everything. This just isn't true, no matter how much you like the guy.

Originally Posted by I Eat Staples

I gave five synonyms for average. If you still don't know what the word means, look it up yourself before replying to me again.

Provide a link that Orton threw farther than Manning. If it's true, I'll acknowledge that he has a slightly stronger arm than Peyton Manning. But my point stands - Orton's deep ball is extremely inaccurate. Having a decent or strong arm means nothing if you can't throw accurately beyond 25 yards.

That's what I was afraid of: your synonyms. I was hoping you would define
it better than that. I'm disappointed.

Regarding the link, do some research. I have provided it so many times on this
board and at least two others that I'm tired of it. I can't keep providing links
and documents for every new person who pops up on this board. So do a
search. I have a long history here - clear back to August 2007.

Um, work on your reading comprehension? I clearly stated that Orton's mobility during the Lions game was pleasantly surprising. Go back and read my post again. He was very mobile during that game. He was very immobile for 3 years before it. Would you rather judge a player on one game or 3 years?

My reading comprehension is fine. You clearly stated Orton is a "statue" and
"completely immobile." So this only shows you have been contradicting
yourself.

Regarding "3 years before," Kyle played only 3 games during two of those
years, before the 2008 season. I saw all 7 games in the 2008 season, IIRC,
before he incurred his first high ankle sprain, on which he played the final 8
games. Of course, he did not have mobility during those 8 games (he did
just fine the first 7): he was playing on a severe high ankle sprain.

In 2009, he played the first 8½ games on that sprain, and, as it turned out,
it got only worse as the season wore on. Then, in the 9th game, against
Washington, he incurred a high sprain in the other ankle. So he was playing,
as Orton himself said, "on two flat tires."

So you know why you were (all the sudden, so you apparently can backtrack
on what you said) "pleasantly surprised" regarding his mobility? Because his
ankles are healthy! I don't know why that is so hard for so many people
to figure out.

I agree with you completely, very well said. And I actually really like Orton, I've stated already that I feel he has what it takes to lead a team to a superbowl. But I recognize both his strengths and weaknesses. The person I'm arguing with simply refuses to acknowledge any of Orton's weaknesses, claiming that he's great at everything. This just isn't true, no matter how much you like the guy.

As I said, n00b, do a historical search on my posts before you make a fool of
yourself by thinking you know about me. This is what apparently has clouded
your judgment on Orton: you seem to form opinions too quickly without the
facts.

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Okay, I think we've argued this thing to death now. This is all I have to say
to you on this topic. Have your final say, and that will be it for me . . .

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Originally Posted by topscribe

That's what I was afraid of: your synonyms. I was hoping you would define
it better than that. I'm disappointed.

If you don't know the meaning of an extremely simple and common word in the English language, it's your parents and English teacher's failings, not mine.

Regarding the link, do some research. I have provided it so many times on this
board and at least two others that I'm tired of it. I can't keep providing links
and documents for every new person who pops up on this board. So do a
search. I have a long history here - clear back to August 2007.

I don't care enough about Orton being able to throw 6 yards farther than Peyton Manning to do a search. You seem to care about every tiny detail, whereas I only care about the performance on Sundays. Regardless of how far he can throw the ball, his deep ball is inaccurate. That's the bottom line.

My reading comprehension is fine. You clearly stated Orton is a "statue" and
"completely immobile." So this only shows you have been contradicting
yourself.

I never contradicted myself. He was a statue for 3 years and mobile for one game. That's not a contradiction, it's what I saw, clear as day.

Regarding "3 years before," Kyle played only 3 games during two of those
years, before the 2008 season. I saw all 7 games in the 2008 season, IIRC,
before he incurred his first high ankle sprain, on which he played the final 8
games. Of course, he did not have mobility during those 8 games (he did
just fine the first 7): he was playing on a severe high ankle sprain.

In 2009, he played the first 8½ games on that sprain, and, as it turned out,
it got only worse as the season wore on. Then, in the 9th game, against
Washington, he incurred a high sprain in the other ankle. So he was playing,
as Orton himself said, "on two flat tires."

So you know why you were (all the sudden, so you apparently can backtrack
on what you said) "pleasantly surprised" regarding his mobility? Because his
ankles are healthy! I don't know why that is so hard for so many people
to figure out.

You brought up another of Orton's weaknesses: inability to stay healthy. Aside from that, even when he is healthy, he's not the fleetest of foot.

n00b

Okay, we can close down the conversation now.

And by your last graphic, not a moment too soon. That was truly juvenile . . .


BTW, I do not appreciate your allusion toward my parents.


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