Thread: Excited for the new defense?

We have another D-cord and another Defense to learn this year (before he is fired at the end of the year and a new one is brought in), and signs that indicate this will be better than last years?

To be honest I wasn't really paying attention to the Defense (I was playing Final Fantasy 13 while the Defense was on the field)

First team did well. We were up 14-0 while they were in.

Originally Posted by gobroncsnv

First team did well. We were up 14-0 while they were in.

Agreed. And that was without some key starters. Am curious to see how many people are going to pull the "our defense sucks because our 2nd-3rd-4th" teamers couldn't tackle anybody!

I did watch the defense last night. Couldn't have been more vanilla. No blitzes, just the base 3-4 and sometimes switching to a 4-3.

Still no sign of a decent pass rush although Ayers got close a few times.

Seems like Martindale isn't planning on showing much until the regular season starts.

I think they'll be better vs the run but worse vs the pass due to a lack of QB pressure. Even the 1st teamers couldn't get to Palmer last night. He had ALL DAY. For being the "star of TC" Ayers was the "missing man" last night. I don't think he even had one tackle.

Without a star pass rusher like Elvis, we're going to have to rely on mixing up a lot of fronts and blitz packages to generate pressure but that opens us up down the middle and vs the run (as we all saw last night as Shipley and Gresham ate our lunch down the seam and their running game was almost unstoppable).

IIRC this was CIN second game this year and our first. They were division champs and have beena damned fine TEAM for a long time. While I have not followed that much, not many changes on O. They had a great D last year also.

Let's not expect a superblow season.
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Originally Posted by Jrwiz

IIRC this was CIN second game this year and our first. They were division champs and have beena damned fine TEAM for a long time. While I have not followed that much, not many changes on O. They had a great D last year also.

Let's not expect a superblow season.
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They had a decent year last year and a good defense, but they have not been a good team for a long time. They were a 4 game winner the year before last. 7 wins the year before that. They have only had two winning seasons in the last 20 years or so.

However, you are correct about it being their second game. I posted the reminder in the game day thread that they started camp a week earlier than us (teams in the HOF game get an extra week fo training camp) and this was their second game, so it makes sense they are further ahead of the curve than us.

Considering a few of the starters last night on defense are actually reserve players, I didn't feel too badly about it. They reminded me of the 05 defense. Didn't make any spectacular plays (aside from Champ), but didnt give up any points.

Shipley and their running game didnt do much until the reserves came in.

Some of the reserve players really need to pick it up. For as much praise as Cox got during camp he really stunk it up last night. He was bad in coverage and bad in the return game. For as big as Mays is, he is a terrible tackler. A.Smith was OK, but they didnt really throw his way much. It was nice to see him taking on runners and trying to make tackles.

I saw a lot of the reserves give up on plays before they were over which resulted in some long runs. I hope to see some improvement in the next game.

Yes, it was very vanilla as another poster stated.

I was disappointed in Ayers. He seemed to be playing a step slower than everyone else. Seemed confused in space and was a bit late to the QB when pass rushing, and late to the ball carrier when defending the pass or run. Early yet, but I was hoping to see more from him.

Jammie Kirlew played a bit more than I thought he might. He has a good push and collapsed the pocket a bit, and even had one sack. But I also was hoping to see more moves from him. Seems like he's got a power move only, and was held at bay by the Tackle most of the time.

I was impressed by #48, Alexander. He played with energy and seemed to make good decisions. I think he makes the team.

Nate Jones - not so much.

Champ Bailey - Just ask him how much he wants to play and when, and save him for the regular season. He's ready. Have Ben McDaniels serve him Gatorade and Power Bars.

Considering the Bengals have a really good offense and we were without DJ and Dawk, I was very impressed. I think we will be just fine on D if there are no more major injuries.

Originally Posted by sneakers

We have another D-cord and another Defense to learn this year (before he is fired at the end of the year and a new one is brought in), and signs that indicate this will be better than last years?

To be honest I wasn't really paying attention to the Defense (I was playing Final Fantasy 13 while the Defense was on the field)

Look... McD has been here one year.
They revamped the defense to a 3-4.
Nolan, the DC, and McD did not mesh well...
Nolan wanted out... McD accomodated him.

They hired from in house... Wink is continueing the same defensive scheme.
Wink will be here for the duration... if he/we have success.
There is some level of consistancy here...
and I expect there to be more over the next few seasons.

All those other fired DC's under Shanahan...
that is irrelevant to this new team.

That is like blaming your new wife for the way your life was with your ex-wife.

Originally Posted by Tned

They had a decent year last year and a good defense, but they have not been a good team for a long time. They were a 4 game winner the year before last. 7 wins the year before that. They have only had two winning seasons in the last 20 years or so.

However, you are correct about it being their second game. I posted the reminder in the game day thread that they started camp a week earlier than us (teams in the HOF game get an extra week fo training camp) and this was their second game, so it makes sense they are further ahead of the curve than us.

I do not actually count wins and loses as the end all in judging a team.. I also look at coaching and Talent.

the raider per see suck as a team but it is not for a lack of talent it is coaching and ownership.

CIN has had a a lot of talent for years but has IMO lacked commitment to excellence in keeping said players and coaching..

So when I say good team well I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

They had a great defense last year and with the addition of benson a legit contender IF they are not out coached or Palmer does not go down like he did a few years ago one of the reason for a 4 win season IIRC.

IMHO

Originally Posted by sneakers

We have another D-cord and another Defense to learn this year (before he is fired at the end of the year and a new one is brought in), and signs that indicate this will be better than last years?

To be honest I wasn't really paying attention to the Defense (I was playing Final Fantasy 13 while the Defense was on the field)

maybe I missed the new scheme for defense being installed.

We are playing a #-4 same as last year but with some different "better" players. yes we have a NEW DC but about all that is changing is we will blitz more which was not in the game plan last night IIRC..

I'm willing to give the new guy a chance as his players seem to like and work for him.

Winks running a pretty vanilla scheme right now. He'll put the players in postion to make plays in game #1 at Jax. I saw flashes of promise with some of the players but also saw some concerns as well, mainly at the ILB spots.

I'm a little excited. More curious than anything.