Thread: Cutler way ahead of Young and Leinart ....

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

Leinart learned from his off-field mistakes. He needs to be on the field to learn from his on-field mistakes. That's the point I'm trying to make.

I agree with that, but he wasn't doing his best in his preparations to be on the field. It's like wanting to play, but not taking the time to fully study and absorb the playbook. When you do that, you don't give your coach much of a choice.

Instead of expecting to be the #1 because of his draft position, he should have the mindset of competing for the job, because Warner is very good. Forget this friendship/mentor thing, Warner won't step back and give him the spot on a silver platter; he should kick Warner's butt.

Originally Posted by omac

I agree with that, but he wasn't doing his best in his preparations to be on the field. It's like wanting to play, but not taking the time to fully study and absorb the playbook. When you do that, you don't give your coach much of a choice.

Instead of expecting to be the #1 because of his draft position, he should have the mindset of competing for the job, because Warner is very good. Forget this friendship/mentor thing, Warner won't step back and give him the spot on a silver platter; he should kick Warner's butt.

That's kind of my mindset. If Leinart isn't willing to work hard in his off-field
preparations, his on-field performance is going to suffer. That's the bottom line.

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Originally Posted by topscribe

That's kind of my mindset. If Leinart isn't willing to work hard in his off-field
preparations, his on-field performance is going to suffer. That's the bottom line.

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Go back to AZ you old fart..

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

Go back to AZ you old fart..

I don't want to. The Cardinals are here.

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I was excited about getting Leinart before the draft because of what he accomplished at USC; and I was a little weary of Cutler's JP Losman-like move up the draft boards; and I didn't know much about him since I only saw a few Vanderbilt games. Looking back, I'm sure glad we have Cutler now.

Originally Posted by Dream

I was excited about getting Leinart before the draft because of what he accomplished at USC; and I was a little weary of Cutler's JP Losman-like move up the draft boards; and I didn't know much about him since I only saw a few Vanderbilt games. Looking back, I'm sure glad we have Cutler now.

Well, being right here in the middle of the PAC-10, I was aware of Leinart's
considerable accomplishments. I was also aware of the considerable talent
around him at the time. Leinart, IMO, will always be a system QB . . . a good
one, but a system QB, nonetheless. He will be very good at managing the
game for a good team.

I was never overly impressed with Young. To me, he is Michael Vick . . .
without his speed and his the criminal record.

I had Cutler pegged as a future superstar in the league before I ever
noticed the gleam in Shanny's eye for him. I remember, in his game against
Tennessee, saying, "Who the hell is that kid?" That is when I started to
research him.

I'll tell you, I had a knot in my stomach on draft day. I was so glad to see
Leinart go before the Broncos drafted. I knew at that moment Cutler was
ours to keep.

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It's funny looking at things now. I think Cutler got the least amount of attention before the draft and I am willing to bet that teams would've snatched him up immediatly had they seen what he has been able to do so far.

It is obvious that Cutler has the better arm and is quite mobile when he has to be which makes him better than Young. Second, he has beaten both Young and Leinart in head-to-head matchups which proves things even further. Also, the fact that he played last year with diabetes says a lot about him as a teammate and athlete.

Leinart was a better college qb. Better qb rating....stats and wins. If/when he decides to be an NFL QB instead of a hollywood rockstar, he could very well be an excellent qb. Plus, listening to AZ players on sirius, some think Warner is their "MVP", and hope he continues to start.
As far as cutler being better than both, it's still up in the air. He's yet to have a winning record. I would think that would be a prerequisite before putting him in the Hall of Fame.

And as far as some saying he could be better than Elway? That's laughable. What has he done to prove that? Graduated from Vandy? lol Hell, I'd take Jake, if it'd mean more wins.

Originally Posted by rcsodak

Leinart was a better college qb. Better qb rating....stats and wins. If/when he decides to be an NFL QB instead of a hollywood rockstar, he could very well be an excellent qb. Plus, listening to AZ players on sirius, some think Warner is their "MVP", and hope he continues to start.
As far as cutler being better than both, it's still up in the air. He's yet to have a winning record. I would think that would be a prerequisite before putting him in the Hall of Fame.

And as far as some saying he could be better than Elway? That's laughable. What has he done to prove that? Graduated from Vandy? lol Hell, I'd take Jake, if it'd mean more wins.

I don't get this deal about a "winning record," over and over and over again.
Ever hear of defense? When RBs were running around, through, and over
denver's offensive defense, again and again, how was it Cutler's responsibility
to go out and stop them? When Devin Hester was returning not one, but
two punts for TDs, how did that detract from Cutler's 302 yards and 2 TDs?

This went on all season. If Denver had a decent defense, if they were
better than 30th in stopping the run, then Cutler would have won more
games, and Cutler would have been a better quarterback. Does this make
any sense at all?

And Leinart was not a better college quarterback. Leinart played on a team
loaded with future pros in a relatively weak conference at the time. (I know.
I live in the middle of PAC-10 territory.) Cutler, on the other hand, played
for . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Vanderbilt . . . . . . . . . . . . . . in the SEC,
for pity's sake. I could not begin to imagine more opposite circumstances for
two quarterbacks. Leinart could not carry Cutler's jock.

Let's get over this Leinart-is-better-than-Cutler disease right now. He has
already blown the doors off both of those pretenders, Leinart and Young.

Cutler does not need to win games. Cutler has done his part, and I do not
have the slightest doubt that he will do even more this year. It is up to the
rest of the team to do theirs.

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Originally Posted by ChampWJ

I have a feeling Cutler is going to continue to rise above the other two more and more each year. He is the total package.

Agreed! I think he has more potential and I don't know why, but whenever I replay my game tapes...he looks more and more like Elway. His potential excites me just like Elway did.

Originally Posted by topscribe

I don't get this deal about a "winning record," over and over and over again.
Ever hear of defense? When RBs were running around, through, and over
denver's offensive defense, again and again, how was it Cutler's responsibility
to go out and stop them? When Devin Hester was returning not one, but
two punts for TDs, how did that detract from Cutler's 302 yards and 2 TDs?

This went on all season. If Denver had a decent defense, if they were
better than 30th in stopping the run, then Cutler would have won more
games, and Cutler would have been a better quarterback. Does this make
any sense at all?

And Leinart was not a better college quarterback. Leinart played on a team
loaded with future pros in a relatively weak conference at the time. (I know.
I live in the middle of PAC-10 territory.) Cutler, on the other hand, played
for . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Vanderbilt . . . . . . . . . . . . . . in the SEC,
for pity's sake. I could not begin to imagine more opposite circumstances for
two quarterbacs. Leinart could not carry Cutler's jock.

Let's get over this Leinart-is-better-than-Cutler disease right now. He has
already blown the doors off both of those pretenders, Leinart and Young.

Cutler does not need to win games. Cutler has done his part, and I do not
have the slightest doubt that he will do even more this year. It is up to the
rest of the team to do theirs.

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Damn, larry...mancrush, much?

Just because vandy plays in the sec doesn't make them a better team, even through they lost. Agreed?
Can you honestly say vandy would have been able to play with Pac10 teams and win?
Far be it for me to tout the SEC..I don't think they're any better than say the Big 12. Both conf's are lead by a couple of schools and the rest just beat each other up.
But to say that Leinart wasn't a better qb than cutler, in college, is wrong, imo. But unless somebody has a time machine, and both can switch places, this debate is moooooot.

As far as 'records' goes....look how elway led his teams to the playoffs, with mediocre players surrounding him. Didn't seem to keep him from winning games.
Now go take your blood pressure medicine.....

Originally Posted by rcsodak

Damn, larry...mancrush, much?

Just because vandy plays in the sec doesn't make them a better team, even through they lost. Agreed?
Can you honestly say vandy would have been able to play with Pac10 teams and win?
Far be it for me to tout the SEC..I don't think they're any better than say the Big 12. Both conf's are lead by a couple of schools and the rest just beat each other up.
But to say that Leinart wasn't a better qb than cutler, in college, is wrong, imo. But unless somebody has a time machine, and both can switch places, this debate is moooooot.

As far as 'records' goes....look how elway led his teams to the playoffs, with mediocre players surrounding him. Didn't seem to keep him from winning games.
Now go take your blood pressure medicine.....

Vanderbilt was not near the team as the top three or four in the PAC-10.
They weren't near the team of any of the others in the SEC. They didn't
hold a candle to USC or Texas. That is my point. Cutler carried his team.
But he couldn't carry all 22 players all the time.

Vanderbilt beat Tennessee. Vanderbilt did not belong in the same state as
Tennessee, let alone in the same conference. But Vandy beat Tennessee.
Had Cutler not been on the field, Tennessee would have mauled Vandy.

I can say Leinart was not as good as Cutler. Unequivocably. Categorically.
In my opinion.

Leinart had a better O-line. He had better RBs. He had better WRs. He had
better TEs. He had a better D-line. Better LBs. Better CBs. Better safeties.
Hell, he probably had better water boys.

And Leinart played in a conference inferior to the SEC. That means it was
easier for USC to win games than it was for Florida, Florida State, Tennesee,
Miami, and . . . Vanderbilt.

Let me repeat. Leinart played for USC. Young played for Texas. Those two
teams played for the National Championship. That is the kind of team each
played for. Cutler played for mighty Vanderbilt.

Who is going to win more games?

And Cutler has only proved that since coming to the pros. If Denver's
defense doesn't get any better, Cutler will still have a losing record, I'm
sorry. But Denver's defense has nothing to do with what kind of quarterback
Cutler is.

Oh BTW, you are aware that Elway never led his Stanford team to any
bowl games in all of his four years there, aren't you?

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Nice post, topscribe!

And just to add to that, as deplete of talent as Vanderbilt was as compared to their SEC rivals, Jay Cutler still won the SEC Offensive Player of the year. That's against tough SEC defenses.

Heck, Cutler's Vanderbilt team gave Florida a tougher game than Ohio State (oops) did the following season in the national finals.

And while we're discussing wins and losses, here is a final thought:

As we know, Cutler finished the season at 7-9 and an 88.1 QB rating.

Here are what some pretty good QBs did in their second seasons:

Aikman: 7 wins, 9 losses, 66.6 QB rating.
Montana: 6 -10, 87.8
Bradshaw: 6 - 8, 59.7

Oh yes, I might mention that Young had a 71.1 QB rating last year, and
Leinart managed 61.9 in the games he played. Just saying . . .


And here's something our friend JayCutler4MVP provided for us:

http://files.filefront.com/Jay+Cutle.../fileinfo.html

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Originally Posted by topscribe

And while we're discussing wins and losses, here is a final thought:

As we know, Cutler finished the season at 7-9 and an 88.1 QB rating.

Here are what some pretty good QBs did in their second seasons:

Aikman: 7 wins, 9 losses, 66.6 QB rating.
Montana: 6 -10, 87.8
Bradshaw: 6 - 8, 59.7

Oh yes, I might mention that Young had a 71.1 QB rating last year, and
Leinart managed 61.9 in the games he played. Just saying . . .


And here's something our friend JayCutler4MVP provided for us:

http://files.filefront.com/Jay+Cutle.../fileinfo.html

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Leinart also had a better offense, whilst Young had a better team. Let us also no forget that during the season, Cutler lost 30lbs due to DIABETES. I think it's pretty safe to say that Cutler did amazingly for a second year quarterback who was behind a scrub offensive line and whilst losing so much weight.