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With all of that said, here's the list of impact defensive players out of USC the last five years:

I doubt anybody in there right mind would trade a franchise LT for a MLB. I have already explained why..

You can put a sheild in front of an average LB core called a Defensive Line.

You cannot sheild a LT...Hes on an island on his own...He helps you block 3 guys with 4 Linemen...

But unfortunately i can no longer respond after this message because it will look like were arguing personally. So you can have this debate.

I wouldn't trade Clady for Willis, even though Clady is unproven and Willis is one of the best. I'd need to see how he turns out first. If he ends up being a Joe Thomas, no way would I trade him for Willis.

The point being the Broncos have always had their identity on offense, since their head coach is an offensive mind. The 49ers, in contrast, has their identity on defense, because Nolan has always been a defensive mind. It could be part of the reason why offensive head coaches know how to find offensive talent, while defensive coaches know how to find defensive talent.

The biggest investment the Broncos have made, draft-wise, is on Jay Cutler, and it is of the greatest importance to protect his backside in order for him to realize his full potential and bring the offense with him. Trading Clady for Willis would continue to leave a hole in the Broncos OL that could significantly shorten Cutler's career.

For the Broncos defense, a solid mike will do; anything better than that is gravy.

Originally Posted by omac

I wouldn't trade Clady for Willis, even though Clady is unproven and Willis is one of the best. I'd need to see how he turns out first. If he ends up being a Joe Thomas, no way would I trade him for Willis.

The point being the Broncos have always had their identity on offense, since their head coach is an offensive mind. The 49ers, in contrast, has their identity on defense, because Nolan has always been a defensive mind. It could be part of the reason why offensive head coaches know how to find offensive talent, while defensive coaches know how to find defensive talent.

The biggest investment the Broncos have made, draft-wise, is on Jay Cutler, and it is of the greatest importance to protect his backside in order for him to realize his full potential and bring the offense with him. Trading Clady for Willis would continue to leave a hole in the Broncos OL that could significantly shorten Cutler's career.

For the Broncos defense, a solid mike will do; anything better than that is gravy.

Exactly. You cannot draft a franchise QB and put a make shift OL around him and expect him to succeed. When a QB knows his blind side is protected he will play way better instead of thinking about gettin sacked from behind and fumbling. Which we saw a little too much last year.

Originally Posted by omac

I wouldn't trade Clady for Willis, even though Clady is unproven and Willis is one of the best. I'd need to see how he turns out first. If he ends up being a Joe Thomas, no way would I trade him for Willis.

The point being the Broncos have always had their identity on offense, since their head coach is an offensive mind. The 49ers, in contrast, has their identity on defense, because Nolan has always been a defensive mind. It could be part of the reason why offensive head coaches know how to find offensive talent, while defensive coaches know how to find defensive talent.

The biggest investment the Broncos have made, draft-wise, is on Jay Cutler, and it is of the greatest importance to protect his backside in order for him to realize his full potential and bring the offense with him. Trading Clady for Willis would continue to leave a hole in the Broncos OL that could significantly shorten Cutler's career.

For the Broncos defense, a solid mike will do; anything better than that is gravy.

Right there in the highlight is the problem. The Broncos don't have a solid MLB. Nate Webster is old, not that fast, too small and always whiffs on tackles; not what you want to anchor your defense. Niko? well, he just sucks as he was brought in to start at MLB but he can't even beat out Nate who sucks.

Homerism aside, a proven top 3 if not #1 ranked middle linebacker on only his 2nd year for a rookie LT? What idiot wouldn't make that trade if given the chance? Easy choice there, too bad it's only fantasy GMing here and not a real scenario.

Do you guys remember the last 1st round OT we drafted? What's his name, G. Foster or something like that? End of discussion.

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Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Right there in the highlight is the problem. The Broncos don't have a solid MLB. Nate Webster is old, not that fast, too small and always whiffs on tackles; not what you want to anchor your defense. Niko? well, he just sucks as he was brought in to start at MLB but he can't even beat out Nate who sucks.

Homerism aside, a proven top 3 if not #1 ranked middle linebacker on only his 2nd year for a rookie LT? What idiot wouldn't make that trade if given the chance? Easy choice there, too bad it's only fantasy GMing here and not a real scenario.

Do you guys remember the last 1st round OT we drafted? What's his name, G. Foster or something like that? End of discussion.

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Man, you missed the whole point of my post.

The Broncos don't need an elite mike; a solid one will do. What they do need is a top LT to protect the franchise QB of an offensive team. Getting Willis won't protect Cutler's backside. If our current mikes are sub-par, the team will suffer, but if Cutler goes down, it's game over. And if Clady turns out to be the LT the Broncos are hoping he is, then he's a great investment that shouldn't go anywhere.

You're already assuming Niko and Webster are going to suck, without seeing them play a regular season game at mike. I'll give them a chance to prove themselves, just like I was willing to give Travis Henry a chance to prove himself this season, despite his problems last season, before he was released by the team.

Originally Posted by Jwalk - JayCutty6Goes - CasinoRoyal

You cannot sheild a LT...Hes on an island on his own...He helps you block 3 guys with 4 Linemen...

Sure, a left tackle can be shielded. All you have to do is put the tight end on his side in max protection. You can use a back to chip block for the tackle or if he is extremely weak you can do both. As a prime example, watch what the Broncos did with our tight end.

If all that doesn't work roll the pocket to the offense's right to give the QB time.

Originally Posted by Dean

Sure, a left tackle can be shielded. All you have to do is put the tight end on his side in max protection. You can use a back to chip block for the tackle or if he is extremely weak you can do both. As a prime example, watch what the Broncos did with our tight end.

If all that doesn't work roll the pocket to the offense's right to give the QB time.

Or you could just get a good left tackle and not handcuff your tight end.

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Right there in the highlight is the problem. The Broncos don't have a solid MLB. Nate Webster is old, not that fast, too small and always whiffs on tackles; not what you want to anchor your defense. Niko? well, he just sucks as he was brought in to start at MLB but he can't even beat out Nate who sucks.

Homerism aside, a proven top 3 if not #1 ranked middle linebacker on only his 2nd year for a rookie LT? What idiot wouldn't make that trade if given the chance? Easy choice there, too bad it's only fantasy GMing here and not a real scenario.

Do you guys remember the last 1st round OT we drafted? What's his name, G. Foster or something like that? End of discussion.

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If Clady becomes Orlando Pace, then I'd take him over Willis. If he becomes George Foster, then obviously I want Willis.

I agree with omac - if we don't have Cutler alive and standing, then no amount of defense is gonna help us. We aren't the Ravens - we can't win a championship with defense. We don't have the coordinator for it, nor the personnel - with or without Willis.

Whether Clady is the guy to protect Jay and allow our offense to take us to a title is certainly up for debate. For us to do anything significant in the next few years he HAS to be.

But IF he's the Real Deal, then even as much as I have loved Willis and would have died to bring him here... We need the Jay Cutler Life Insurance Policy more.

It's more exciting to get the guy who makes the plays instead of the guy who takes them away, but Clady at his full potential makes all of our offensive weapons more deadly. He'll put the juice in our attack.

If right now we could trade Clady for Willis without knowing if Clady will reach his potential, I too would take Willis since he's a Known Quantity and should be a perennial Pro Bowler at his position.

But we're not doing anything without that LT position working out. Ask the 49ers how it feels to be in the bottom of the league at scoring and takeaways differential thanks to a porous OL that can't keep the QB on his feet.

I comped Willis to Hardy Nickerson before he was drafted - I'm in love with the kid. But our team is only gonna go as far as Cutler and the offense can take it, and that isn't very far from his back.

Willis vs Clady, right at this moment? Sure 100% stud at MLB vs. unproven rook LT? Yeah, I'll take Willis.

Pro Bowl LT vs Pro Bowl MLB in theory, for this team? LT, no contest.

~G

Originally Posted by G_Money

If Clady becomes Orlando Pace, then I'd take him over Willis. If he becomes George Foster, then obviously I want Willis.

I agree with omac - if we don't have Cutler alive and standing, then no amount of defense is gonna help us. We aren't the Ravens - we can't win a championship with defense. We don't have the coordinator for it, nor the personnel - with or without Willis.

Whether Clady is the guy to protect Jay and allow our offense to take us to a title is certainly up for debate. For us to do anything significant in the next few years he HAS to be.

But IF he's the Real Deal, then even as much as I have loved Willis and would have died to bring him here... We need the Jay Cutler Life Insurance Policy more.

It's more exciting to get the guy who makes the plays instead of the guy who takes them away, but Clady at his full potential makes all of our offensive weapons more deadly. He'll put the juice in our attack.

If right now we could trade Clady for Willis without knowing if Clady will reach his potential, I too would take Willis since he's a Known Quantity and should be a perennial Pro Bowler at his position.

But we're not doing anything without that LT position working out. Ask the 49ers how it feels to be in the bottom of the league at scoring and takeaways differential thanks to a porous OL that can't keep the QB on his feet.

I comped Willis to Hardy Nickerson before he was drafted - I'm in love with the kid. But our team is only gonna go as far as Cutler and the offense can take it, and that isn't very far from his back.

Willis vs Clady, right at this moment? Sure 100% stud at MLB vs. unproven rook LT? Yeah, I'll take Willis.

Pro Bowl LT vs Pro Bowl MLB in theory, for this team? LT, no contest.

~G

Great post!

I especially like the Jay Cutler Life Insurance Policy, hehehe.

Originally Posted by omac

Man, you missed the whole point of my post.

The Broncos don't need an elite mike; a solid one will do. What they do need is a top LT to protect the franchise QB of an offensive team. Getting Willis won't protect Cutler's backside. If our current mikes are sub-par, the team will suffer, but if Cutler goes down, it's game over. And if Clady turns out to be the LT the Broncos are hoping he is, then he's a great investment that shouldn't go anywhere.

You're already assuming Niko and Webster are going to suck, without seeing them play a regular season game at mike. I'll give them a chance to prove themselves, just like I was willing to give Travis Henry a chance to prove himself this season, despite his problems last season, before he was released by the team.

Here is where your idea is flawed. You're assuming that Nate or Niko is solid and we all know that they are not. You don't have to take my word for it, just ask anyone. They'll tell you Nate sucks and if Niko can't beat him, what does that tell you? and don't tell me that we haven't seen Nate in the middle yet. He's old and if he hasn't made his rep known yet in his veteran career, there is a reason why, Nate sucks.

Here is the other flaw in your thought. You're assuming that Clady will be the LT of our dreams. Do you remember when we drafted George Foster? Yep, he turned out to be great right? He shared the same hype that Clady is getting right now.

So do you see what I'm getting at? I'll trade a fire next generation Super Middle LineBacker Patrick Willis for a maybe with great potential LT Ryan Clady in a heart beat. The problem here is, the 49ers are not dumb enough to agree to such a trade in real life.

Now about Travis Henry, He is twice the RB the Broncos have currently in their stable. His problem was not his football abilities but himself as a person. You would think that with what the Broncos paid him and what Mike Shanahan did for him last season and what he said in public about making it up for the organization, he would lay off the WEED! But at the same time in his defense, It's only freaking WEED! Weed is the greatest muscle relaxant and pain suppressor with the least negative effect on a body for anyone that needs it. Especially professional athletes such as football players.

The Governor of the greatest state in the Union, Arnold Schwarzenegger, a former multiple winner of the Mr. Olympia trophy used to smoke weed for the obvious physical reasons. I'm not saying at all it was OK for Travis Henry to smoke pot but all I'm saying it, It's only WEED!

Let's get down on Travis Henry for not obliging on the rules set for him but let's not confuse that with his football playing abilities. He is the best RB the Broncos have seen since Clinton Portis. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a freaking idiot who's judging him off the field and not on.

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Originally Posted by G_Money

If Clady becomes Orlando Pace, then I'd take him over Willis. If he becomes George Foster, then obviously I want Willis.

I agree with omac - if we don't have Cutler alive and standing, then no amount of defense is gonna help us. We aren't the Ravens - we can't win a championship with defense. We don't have the coordinator for it, nor the personnel - with or without Willis.

Whether Clady is the guy to protect Jay and allow our offense to take us to a title is certainly up for debate. For us to do anything significant in the next few years he HAS to be.

But IF he's the Real Deal, then even as much as I have loved Willis and would have died to bring him here... We need the Jay Cutler Life Insurance Policy more.

It's more exciting to get the guy who makes the plays instead of the guy who takes them away, but Clady at his full potential makes all of our offensive weapons more deadly. He'll put the juice in our attack.

If right now we could trade Clady for Willis without knowing if Clady will reach his potential, I too would take Willis since he's a Known Quantity and should be a perennial Pro Bowler at his position.

But we're not doing anything without that LT position working out. Ask the 49ers how it feels to be in the bottom of the league at scoring and takeaways differential thanks to a porous OL that can't keep the QB on his feet.

I comped Willis to Hardy Nickerson before he was drafted - I'm in love with the kid. But our team is only gonna go as far as Cutler and the offense can take it, and that isn't very far from his back.

Willis vs Clady, right at this moment? Sure 100% stud at MLB vs. unproven rook LT? Yeah, I'll take Willis.

Pro Bowl LT vs Pro Bowl MLB in theory, for this team? LT, no contest.

~G

Thanks for agreeing with me. A sure fire star player in Patrick Willis for a maybe with great potential in Clady? I'll take the guaranteed paid.

It's like playing Black Jack if any of you have played. When you hit 21 but the the dealer is showing an ace on the draw. What do you do? Even money or gamble and get 1.5 on your money? The smart money is to get guaranteed paid.

Well in our hypothetical scenario, the smart money is to take the guaranteed money(Willis) and run. End of discussion.

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Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Dam the off season sucks. We are resorting to what our 2nd string MLB thinks about our main rival's shiny new over paid rookie RB.

I will reserve my right to say that Niko Kooties sucks until he proves that he is better than Al Wilson.

I'm game.

I'll bet you you're ability to sign on to this board, that Niko is better than Al Wilson is.

Game?

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Thanks for agreeing with me. A sure fire star player in Patrick Willis for a maybe with great potential in Clady? I'll take the guaranteed paid.

It's like playing Black Jack if any of you have played. When you hit 21 but the the dealer is showing an ace on the draw. What do you do? Even money or gamble and get 1.5 on your money? The smart money is to get guaranteed paid.

Well in our hypothetical scenario, the smart money is to take the guaranteed money(Willis) and run. End of discussion.

If you're going to use an analogy to make a point, at least use one that's factual.

You evidently know nothing about BlackJack. Unless you gamble just to break even...then, it's not even called gambling.

Insurance is called a SUCKER BET!

I dealt it in a casino. And I dealt Hold 'Em before anybody knew what the hell it was.

Maybe you should stick to Go Fish??? Kings Corner??? War???



ps. End of discussion.

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

The Governor of the greatest state in the Union, Arnold Schwarzenegger, a former multiple winner of the Mr. Olympia trophy used to smoke weed for the obvious physical reasons. I'm not saying at all it was OK for Travis Henry to smoke pot but all I'm saying it, It's only WEED!

Let's get down on Travis Henry for not obliging on the rules set for him but let's not confuse that with his football playing abilities. He is the best RB the Broncos have seen since Clinton Portis. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a freaking idiot who's judging him off the field and not on.

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Shanny thinks Clady could be a PBowler, but doesn't want to 'jinx' him.
Everybody interviewed today says Webster is tearing it up at camp.
Niko will help against the run, as they'll both see time on the field.
Shanny says this is the Best/deepest the rb's have been, since he's been in Denver.
Ahhnold is gay.
THenry (Baby'sssssssss daddy) is SO good, that no other team will pick him up, because they're afraid he'll run for too many yards/td's.
Clinton Poooortis is SO good he's been in the Pro Bowl every year he's been in the league.



Keep smoking that weed.....


....delusional schizzophrenia just.....happens.