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    Default Proposal: Guidelines regarding posting pictures of dead bodies in sigs, avvy and posts

    We have had a Town Hall discussion open for about two weeks in regards to whether or not displaying images of dead bodies is appropriate.

    This subject seems to have first come up when someone put the body of Che in his sig, and then there was retaliation in the form of posting dead/mutilated bodies in other threads.

    The results of the discussion were:
    • 4 people were in favor of allowing dead bodies in any situation
    • 3 stated that it depended. As an example, one person said that a peaceful looking corpse would be ok, where a mutilated one would not.
    • 2 stated they didn’t care one way or another
    • 11 were against displaying dead bodies


    While it should be well known by now that I don’t accept the validity of polls for making important forum decisions, as the poll results are generally wrong for many reasons (wording of poll, people voting before reading discussion or even points/questions raised in original post, mistakes/choosing wrong option), here are the results of the poll for informational purposes. It should be noted that a couple prime examples of why poll data is not used in making forum decisions is that one poster said that s/he voted no, because "I don’t care" wasn’t an option, and another was clearly against dead bodies being displayed, but s/he accidentally voted yes to allow it. I bring these up not because the posters did anything wrong, but to reinforce some of the problems with relying on polls to determine forum decisions.

    The poll results were 33 against displaying dead bodies, 12 in favor of displaying dead bodies.

    Please note for future discussion, it is critical that if you want your opinion/vote to count, you must join the discussion and make clear your feeling on the subject, and ideally state why your feel the way you do (in regards to why something should or shouldn’t be implemented by the forum).

    So, after reading all of the discussion on this subject, the following amendment to the rules is being proposed. I will keep this thread open until next weekend to receive comment on it, and then will make this rule, or a variant of it (based on comments here) effective at that time.

    The following Amendment/interpretation guideline has been added to the rules. Please review:

    Implemented: New Guidelines regarding posting pictures of dead bodies in sigs, avatars and posts

    Based on the Town Hall discussion on this subject, it will no longer be acceptable to post pictures of dead bodies in signatures, avatars or posts. Regardless of whether the dead body(s) are peaceful looking or mutilated in some way, posting them will not be allowed.

    An exception to this rule will be that displaying something like the “tomb of the unknown soldier” or a picture of Ronal Reagan’s casket in the Capital’s rotunda would be acceptable in the context of honoring soldiers, presidents or other individuals. The moderators will have latitude in determining whether or not a given instance is meant to honor or is being used as a political statement or a means to inflame another member or group of members, and in such cases will remove the image in question.

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    I want to furthur add that i am totally against censorship, however this is a privately owned website that has rules.. In our case its great we can all discuss the matter and make/change/unmake rules.....

    if i want dead bodies there are more than enough websites out there that will show me dead bodies. The same guidelines show be followed for nudity... Why cant my sig/avy be a nice pair of bare breasts? Well cuz its inappropiate based on the rules of the site.... Some people will undoubtedly be offended(not much tho)....
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    Tned, where is the line going to be drawn regarding bodies/caskets being shown in the context of "honoring" individuals?

    This seems like a can of worms being opened. I.E. The rule would appear to prohibit BeefStew from using his sig, but would allow others to display a photograph of Che's body in order to "honor" him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne View Post
    Tned, where is the line going to be drawn regarding bodies/caskets being shown in the context of "honoring" individuals?

    This seems like a can of worms being opened. I.E. The rule would appear to prohibit BeefStew from using his sig, but would allow others to display a photograph of Che's body in order to "honor" him.
    why the need to honor the dead on a football forum? I dont get that. We cant get off the idea that this message board is built around people who like said DENVER BRONCOS(and a few KC fans)

    i tihnk opening the worms would start with honoring a dead Denver Bronco.... But why would anyone want to show a dead body of said passed Bronco? Again.. that dead body has a mother and a father and maybe some kids too..... Its not fair. None of us has to know a family member of the dead and its still wrong to be on public display.
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    i dont see why honoring the passed has to be a picture of the actual dead body, in a casket or not....

    If this was an educational website i could see the reasoning...

    but we are all here for the Broncos

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    I really can't even believe this is an issue. Kinda ridiculous IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne View Post
    Tned, where is the line going to be drawn regarding bodies/caskets being shown in the context of "honoring" individuals?

    This seems like a can of worms being opened. I.E. The rule would appear to prohibit BeefStew from using his sig, but would allow others to display a photograph of Che's body in order to "honor" him.
    The Che picture being used by the other member is of him alive, not dead. This person is honoring this person because he believes in what he stood for...it is not being used to inflame others. We may not like Che and what he stood for, but it is not a distasteful photo. Other people are displaying photos of Obama or Bush or McCain...tasteful, many may not like them, but said individuals believe in what they stand for...nothing wrong with that.
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    Appreciate your diplomacy, Tned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by broncogirl7 View Post
    The Che picture being used by the other member is of him alive, not dead. This person is honoring this person because he believes in what he stood for...it is not being used to inflame others. We may not like Che and what he stood for, but it is not a distasteful photo. Other people are displaying photos of Obama or Bush or McCain...tasteful, many may not like them, but said individuals believe in what they stand for...nothing wrong with that.

    We if I'm following your logic I would have to agree with Beefs picture and say a dead Che is a good Che for the things he did. So therefore it supports what I believe in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yardog View Post
    We if I'm following your logic I would have to agree with Beefs picture and say a dead Che is a good Che for the things he did. So therefore it supports what I believe in.
    My logic is "live" bodies, not dead or mutilated bodies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne View Post
    Tned, where is the line going to be drawn regarding bodies/caskets being shown in the context of "honoring" individuals?

    This seems like a can of worms being opened. I.E. The rule would appear to prohibit BeefStew from using his sig, but would allow others to display a photograph of Che's body in order to "honor" him.
    It can be and will be a can of worms, but I don't think (but am open to suggestions on wording) that we can create a rule that completely covers the situation.

    For instance, I don't think we should outlaw the displaying of an image of Reagan's casket, when it is in the context of honoring a past president.

    I think BG7 sums things up pretty well with this, so I will continue after this quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by broncogirl7 View Post
    The Che picture being used by the other member is of him alive, not dead. This person is honoring this person because he believes in what he stood for...it is not being used to inflame others. We may not like Che and what he stood for, but it is not a distasteful photo. Other people are displaying photos of Obama or Bush or McCain...tasteful, many may not like them, but said individuals believe in what they stand for...nothing wrong with that.
    I agree that we can't outlaw pictures of certain individuals or even classes of individuals. Is it ok to say that a republican candidate is ok, but a democrat is not (currently I think Obama's face leads in politically orientated sigs)?

    Should we say that displaying a leader (or potential leader) of the US is ok, but that a communist/socialist from another country is not? My initial reaction of course is that we shouldn't state one group is ok, but another is not. However, I will add a caveat.

    The reason I used vague language such as:

    The moderators will have latitude in determining whether or not a given instance is meant to honor or is being used as a political statement or a means to inflame another member or group of members, and in such cases will remove the image in question.
    Because I think when it comes to this political stuff, there are going to have to be judgement calls, or have all political stuff outlawed. Since I would hate to have us rule that people can't fly their Obama or Ron Paul sigs anymore, I think the only choice is to give some lattitude to the mods in determining if an image is creating enough of a reaction that it is disrupting the message board. The che dead body sig and mutilated body postings in retaliation are perfect examples. Their existance disrupted the message board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeingRed View Post
    I really can't even believe this is an issue. Kinda ridiculous IMO.
    I thought the same thing.

    What about in the lounge? Can people post stuff there or is that also a no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayCutler4MVP!!! View Post
    I thought the same thing.

    What about in the lounge? Can people post stuff there or is that also a no?
    As we stand now, no dead bodies period.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeeingRed View Post
    I really can't even believe this is an issue. Kinda ridiculous IMO.
    Could you elaborate? Ridiculous that people think they need to post pictures of dead bodies? Ridiculous that people object to the posting of dead bodies? Some place in between?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tned View Post
    As we stand now, no dead bodies period.



    Could you elaborate? Ridiculous that people think they need to post pictures of dead bodies? Ridiculous that people object to the posting of dead bodies? Some place in between?


    I think he probably means its silly to even have this discussion. That people should know when or not its apropriate to post pictures of dead bodies.
    Posting pictures of dead bodies just to instigate someone should be a nono.
    Crazy were discussing it though but I'm fine either way
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    not to be sarcastic. This is something i really wonder about!
    But there are a lot of pictures of paintings with Jesus Christ dead. Should they also not be allowed?

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